tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post3383558861451078202..comments2023-11-17T02:23:26.098-06:00Comments on A Penigma - a mystery, under a pseudonym: Fact checking Gandhi on Guns: To Lie is to LosePenigmahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-2209824252273268702016-11-18T11:55:25.544-06:002016-11-18T11:55:25.544-06:00Exactly Pen. There was no "nation" of I...Exactly Pen. There was no "nation" of India; there was at best the single colony of India under the British rule, and that single entity had existed for less than 60 years as a colony when Gandhi began working towards a nation. A colony is not a nation. India as a colony still had a lot of competing governmental infrastructure, not to mention the divisions by religion and tribal dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862174747296223338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-24210588527084947312016-11-18T10:54:10.560-06:002016-11-18T10:54:10.560-06:00Chris,
Your points aren't conclusive, also, i...Chris,<br /><br />Your points aren't conclusive, also, it's fine to say "you've lost", less so to start calling names. Bring it up a notch.<br /><br />Bottom line is that DGs points weren't refuted by your comments, here's why:<br /><br />1. When Ghandi spoke about depriving a nation of arms, his point was that the Indian nation should agree to fight with the Brits,Penigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-26951726976820566392016-11-18T10:51:09.742-06:002016-11-18T10:51:09.742-06:00Chris Plambeck, welcome to Penigma, and my apologi...Chris Plambeck, welcome to Penigma, and my apologies for not having moderated your comment sooner. It was simply missed as a new comment on an older post.<br /><br />Now to address the points you raise, Gandhi spoke in multiple places and on multiple occasions about his concerns that India did not possess their own armed forces. When he wrote about depriving a nation, he was clearly, in that dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862174747296223338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-22434752101951674302016-11-15T16:28:19.516-06:002016-11-15T16:28:19.516-06:00http://penigma.blogspot.com/2013/02/fact-checking-...http://penigma.blogspot.com/2013/02/fact-checking-gandhi-on-guns-to-lie-is.html<br /><br />. . . it came from a pamphlet written by Gandhi, urging Indians to fight alongside the British in WW I.<br /><br />“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to Chris Plambeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13158558378464043598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-73831699332910881472016-07-09T22:02:47.683-05:002016-07-09T22:02:47.683-05:00You are incorrect Jason Borean; over and over Gand...You are incorrect Jason Borean; over and over Gandhi made it clear that he was against arming individuals for self-protection and only and exclusively for armies carrying weapons to defend entire nations. In particular he wanted the people of India to join with the armies of the UK to do their part.<br />NOWHERE does Gandhi indicate otherwise.<br />YOU are the one trying to alter his message, dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862174747296223338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-4641505846649737712016-07-09T05:51:04.534-05:002016-07-09T05:51:04.534-05:00You failed to establish in any way that Gandhi was...You failed to establish in any way that Gandhi was against the right for a free people to bear arms. I just returned from visiting 6 cities in India... While he may never have wished to fire one himself. He recognized the importance of the rights of citizens to protect and arm themselves. Your assertions are not backed up by facts... but heresay that you are trying to manipulate to dilute his Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03130252416467896444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-48344936750534126962016-07-05T12:57:17.396-05:002016-07-05T12:57:17.396-05:00Not "click bait", and Gandhi was very cl...Not "click bait", and Gandhi was very clear that he supported armies with guns, but never supported them for individual protection -- or protest.<br /><br />So you point is moot, easy money.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862174747296223338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-12519371095344914442016-07-03T18:18:01.200-05:002016-07-03T18:18:01.200-05:00The grammar in this article is deplorable. This is...The grammar in this article is deplorable. This is the only comment I have ever left on a click bait site. Also, this article contains many affirmations that Ghandi made a pro military remark, at the bare minimum. "The sentence" itself also supplies a small context.easy moneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12280774842262812401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-59400611117358012472016-06-19T17:59:36.181-05:002016-06-19T17:59:36.181-05:00Mr. Osorio,
First, I'm a gun owner, second I&...Mr. Osorio,<br /><br />First, I'm a gun owner, second I'm a veteran of the Army, so I'd guess I'm likely very much as literate as 99% of the public on firearms.<br /><br />Second, if saying Ghandi wasn't a proponent of firearms for self-defense is wacko in your eyes while in the same breath claiming that the Bible doesn't refer to the non-righteous, if all that seems rightPenigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-79640212842027832772016-06-19T17:46:44.003-05:002016-06-19T17:46:44.003-05:00Dear Unknown, perhaps you'd like to back up yo...Dear Unknown, perhaps you'd like to back up your point? I certainly don't think AANYONE affiliated with this blog ever said the left never purposefully distorts or misquotes nor do I in any way believe that. Certainly Ms. Clinton does and has, as has Bernie Sanders, just to name a couple. Where I might draw a distinction is in whether it is considered "ok". The left, by and Penigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-947634755251068572016-06-18T11:59:14.310-05:002016-06-18T11:59:14.310-05:00Mr. Osorio, welcome to commenting on Penigma, and ...Mr. Osorio, welcome to commenting on Penigma, and apologies for the delay in moderating your observation.<br /><br />If you are addressing me - dog gone - I'm female, not male. I offer that because it is unclear who you are addressing as 'sir' or Wacko in your comment.<br /><br />I would ask you please to clarify your comment, as it is confusing who or what you are referring to here.<dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862174747296223338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-2221061537512026292016-06-17T22:12:32.816-05:002016-06-17T22:12:32.816-05:00I can't take this article seriously when it ac...I can't take this article seriously when it acts like people aligned with their particular view (left leaning) only misquote by mistake while anyone who opposes their view is intentionally looking for ways to mislead. There are many people on both sides who intentionally mislead.<br /><br />I was trying to search for a resource to fact check the Ghandi quote, guess I will keep looking Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08912199704007497271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-55283965084268154462016-06-16T01:46:57.476-05:002016-06-16T01:46:57.476-05:00Hey WACKO ! I don't mind so much that LAW ABID...Hey WACKO ! I don't mind so much that LAW ABIDING and RESPONSIBLE citizens have guns, but sir,... it doesn't seem THAT YOU ARE EITHER OF THE TWO !! And by the way, there is a reason the United States doesn't appear in the Bible's book of revelations,... it could be because we destroyed ourselves,...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18237574791515899845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-17730869593874958562016-04-25T08:54:33.555-05:002016-04-25T08:54:33.555-05:00Patriot, having a republic means that if a law is ...Patriot, having a republic means that if a law is passed, you obey it, or you oppose it peacefully. A patriot isn't someone who believes in violent resistance, over guns, about laws you don't know and don't understand, because you want your guns. Think about that, Patriot, you want to kill people, people like me, because we don't agree with your position, about guns. That'sPenigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-52330635340912199162016-04-24T22:09:33.327-05:002016-04-24T22:09:33.327-05:00I have spent an adequate time researching the topi...I have spent an adequate time researching the topic to separate fact from fiction. Gandhi opposed personal firearms for self-defense, but supported national armed military.<br /><br />It is quite evident that nations that have restricted guns much more than the USA have been every bit as free, safer, have less gun crime, and have no need to be armed against their own governments either.<br /><br dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862174747296223338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-9513010980680820022016-04-19T00:00:45.449-05:002016-04-19T00:00:45.449-05:00Bless your heart DG.
You have clearly spent a disg...Bless your heart DG.<br />You have clearly spent a disgusting amount of time researching this topic, and molding the information to help prove your closed-minded opinion. I say "opinion" because anyone who believes whole heartedly a nation is better off disarmed, wouldn't know history and/or facts if it kicked you square in the teeth. <br /><br />It's not the gun that kills. It&UsmcPatriot1775https://www.blogger.com/profile/10661718474725355102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-60933677526752165512016-03-14T21:11:58.331-05:002016-03-14T21:11:58.331-05:00Prevy, guns have been more tightly regulated than ...Prevy, guns have been more tightly regulated than they are in the USA, successfully, unlike your drug analogy, in every comparable developed country.<br /><br />All of your examples are equally flawed. For example, the Holocaust had nothing to do with guns or the lack of them. Rather there were too few Jews as a segment of population for any number of firearms to have made a difference - as dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862174747296223338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-42224180000639027532016-03-14T14:54:16.181-05:002016-03-14T14:54:16.181-05:00Drugs were outlawed, in fact our government has sp...Drugs were outlawed, in fact our government has spent well over a trillion dollars prosecuting a "war on drugs" for decades, the result? Drugs are far cheaper, of much higher quality and far more readily available than before the "war" began. <br />Ask the Armenians, European Jews, Russians, Chinese, Cambodians, Ugandans and Nicaraguans how gun control, in all cases "Prevyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11965310002897086154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-5046650450734291772016-03-09T11:37:30.450-06:002016-03-09T11:37:30.450-06:00It is true that militia and army were different, b...It is true that militia and army were different, but related, terms and concepts; that doesn't make them by any stretch about personal private defense. Bearing arms was a military reference. <br /><br />It is also true and well documented that the militia was a branch of the army, an officially funded and recognized military auxiliary force, as distinct from the full time professional dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862174747296223338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-59144427995814760652016-03-08T08:30:56.024-06:002016-03-08T08:30:56.024-06:00There is a difference between army and militia...
...There is a difference between army and militia...<br />And the founders used separate phrases for army and militia... Militia is armed individual citizens. And the Supreme court has verified that individual citizens are legally allowed to defend themselves with firearms... Any attempt by liberals to disarm law abiding Americans will be seen as an act of war against free constitutionally protectedpatrick pittmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05858546995158338223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-13510058357088177332016-03-08T08:16:29.493-06:002016-03-08T08:16:29.493-06:00Say what you want...try what you will...you WILL N...Say what you want...try what you will...you WILL NOT DISARM free Americans...if you want to be responsible for a bloody revolution... Just attempt to disarm free law abiding America...<br />There is no " gun free society"....someone will always have the guns ..."anti gunners just want the government to be the only ones to have guns.. That's called Tyranny.. And the founders ofpatrick pittmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05858546995158338223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-68452522089844181762016-02-24T10:49:26.879-06:002016-02-24T10:49:26.879-06:00I don't think all Republicans are evil; I was ...I don't think all Republicans are evil; I was raised in a Republican household and I still have family members who consider themselves at least nominally so.<br />That said, the majority of those I have known for years feel - strongly - that the right and Republicans have moved so far to the right, and become so extreme, that they are no longer sane or reasonable. THOSE are the people who aredog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862174747296223338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-56400668992519750582016-02-23T23:50:35.001-06:002016-02-23T23:50:35.001-06:00I cannot stand people like you that do nothing but...I cannot stand people like you that do nothing but bash people that associate with the "right" and republicans. You think that just because some of them are crazy, they all are. That is not a good way to think my friend. I for one do not believe in political parties. they do nothing but cause arguments and the splitting up of our country. There are liars on both sides, so you can't Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03766262088426250623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-76883005400461600182016-01-04T14:05:56.348-06:002016-01-04T14:05:56.348-06:00Un(common)sense,
No, it's not hardly anything...Un(common)sense,<br /><br />No, it's not hardly anything like "just my own" strawman, or that it's needed that which is needed for self defense"?<br /><br />In fact, I'm happy to have that debate with you here, at any point. <br /><br />Fact, the instances where a high capacity weapon is needed for self-defense are so rare that the NRA couldn't find one when their Penigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-11372527216497183742016-01-04T12:27:31.944-06:002016-01-04T12:27:31.944-06:00No contradiction on my part whatsoever, nonsense, ...No contradiction on my part whatsoever, nonsense, or whatever euphemism you want to use.<br /><br />Gandhi was very clear that there were some instances where his peaceful resistance was not able to succeed, which was where there was no moral or ethical conscience to which to appeal.<br /><br />His example of that was Hitler and the Nazis. In those instances, such as war in opposition to evil dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862174747296223338noreply@blogger.com