tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post5711894851830588717..comments2023-11-17T02:23:26.098-06:00Comments on A Penigma - a mystery, under a pseudonym: A 2nd Amendment Justification - Is Violent Opposition to Dictators Obsolete?Penigmahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-22233837036980826312011-02-28T00:45:44.753-06:002011-02-28T00:45:44.753-06:00Pen, Thanks for that wonderful description. I go a...Pen, Thanks for that wonderful description. I go a bit further myself in disparaging the value of the 2nd Amendment in today's world, but essentially you said it just right for me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-30729582064832165312011-02-27T14:16:28.738-06:002011-02-27T14:16:28.738-06:00Pen is right, my comments were about the history o...Pen is right, my comments were about the history of why the 2nd amendment was put in. As far as low gun ownership leading to dictatorships I would not say that but the reverse is true, all dictatorships limit gun ownership, possibly because they know they will make a lot of people angry, frustrated, and ready to act if they have the means. <br /><br />As far as the present day US yes a modern ttuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952185527962074906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-92224639856657507002011-02-27T11:58:16.966-06:002011-02-27T11:58:16.966-06:00uhoh! Not the old gun control leads to genocide ar...uhoh! Not the old gun control leads to genocide argument. There's a good refutation of that here:<br /><a href="http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/gunsorxp.htm" rel="nofollow">http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/gunsorxp.htm</a><br /><br />I would add in that tyrants don't really car if the populace is armed or not. In the case of Saddam Hussein's Iraq, the populace was very well armed. Laci the Chinese Crestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07371541369012938298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-54660768265538715622011-02-27T09:44:48.760-06:002011-02-27T09:44:48.760-06:00My point is this, Pen. There are many countries w...My point is this, Pen. There are many countries which have far stricter, far more limiting gun ownership laws - the U.K. comes to mind.<br /><br />Those are laws determined by representative governments, they are not dictators.<br /><br />Yet the pro-gun crazies call that disarming their citizens.<br /><br />It is not even remotely the same as what dictators do.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-71162702766775273542011-02-27T09:28:24.946-06:002011-02-27T09:28:24.946-06:00Dog,
Tuck's point about nation's dissarmi...Dog,<br /><br />Tuck's point about nation's dissarming their citizenry is perfectly accurate - I'm not sure which point you're contesting, but if it's that one, he's absolutely right. Further, and probably importantly, the 2nd amendment right in part was enacted EXACTLY in reaction to the English government having disarmed its citizens in the 1600's (it left a bitter Penigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-76865147866938698312011-02-27T07:43:55.544-06:002011-02-27T07:43:55.544-06:00Laci - an excellent comment.
I wish more of those...Laci - an excellent comment.<br /><br />I wish more of those who claim to be strict constitutionalists (but are really more 'cafeteria constitutionalists')would be aware of both Article III iii, AND the Dennis decision as settled law.<br /><br />Beginning with our own nationally prominent bimbo, Congresswoman Bachmann, who has pretensions to teaching others about the constitution, along dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-91205594354252233752011-02-27T07:40:29.601-06:002011-02-27T07:40:29.601-06:00Tuck follong your logic, every country where there...Tuck follong your logic, every country where there is more limited gun ownership than the united states is a potential dictatorship.<br /><br />And since we ARE the country with the largest number of guns per capita (many times over) than any other country in the world, that is, respectfully, a ludicrous pro-gun position.<br /><br />Or, are you asserting that every other country in the world withdog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-49398365018978563332011-02-27T04:11:37.552-06:002011-02-27T04:11:37.552-06:00Tuck (et.al.),
While I respect the fact that you ...Tuck (et.al.),<br /><br />While I respect the fact that you are a decent and generally informed commenter, and so say the following with as much respect as I can offer, your comment is off-target.<br /><br />This was never about whether peaceful demonstration could change the country. Clearly we have already seen it do so (the Civil Rights movement for one example).<br /><br />No, this is about Penigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-92178876669239376322011-02-27T02:01:32.609-06:002011-02-27T02:01:32.609-06:00The all-too-frequent talk of gun ownership as a me...The all-too-frequent talk of gun ownership as a means of keeping the government in check is absolutely ridiculous. It's ridiculous for the reasons you mentioned, the superior firepower at the disposal of the government compared to that which private citizens have access to. I find it fascinating that so many seemingly intelligent pro-gun folks preach this. I invented an expression to describeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-8346888518189844942011-02-26T23:15:52.612-06:002011-02-26T23:15:52.612-06:00I don't think the militias make up as large a ...I don't think the militias make up as large a part of the conservatives as you think. Granted they agree with conservatives on more issues than they do with liberals but most of them are just anti government, conservatives (at least the ones I know and read) are anti big government.<br /><br />As far as the treason definition conflicting with the 2nd amendment being the last defense against ttuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952185527962074906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-7079608075250817662011-02-26T21:42:47.940-06:002011-02-26T21:42:47.940-06:00I posted this in reponse to your comment at my blo...I posted this in reponse to your comment at my blog and am reposting it here as well:<br /><br />The problem with asserting that the Second Amendment right is necessary for overthrowing “a tyrannical government” is conttradicted by the US Constitution’s Article III, Section iii, which defines treason. Treason is the only crime mentioned in the constitution. This makes perfect sense as the Laci the Chinese Crestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07371541369012938298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-8123902370970432072011-02-26T17:48:15.690-06:002011-02-26T17:48:15.690-06:00wooops!
Somewhere a word was dropped!
"I wis...wooops!<br />Somewhere a word was dropped!<br /><br />"I wish that everyone was as willing to believe that,<a rel="nofollow"><b> INSTEAD OF</b></a> as Angle put it,"<br /><br />My apologies!dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-49164157941386460582011-02-26T17:45:30.462-06:002011-02-26T17:45:30.462-06:00I agree with your point, Tuck; but that said, do y...I agree with your point, Tuck; but that said, do you honestly think that the military in Egypt would have been willing to change sides if instead of peaceful protest, the dissidents had been engaging them in a firefight? That is the essence in some respects of Sharp's writing.<br /><br />Respectfully, the observations of Gene Sharp are pretty insightful on how these things work. I would dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-74053094641387891452011-02-26T17:16:56.873-06:002011-02-26T17:16:56.873-06:00One thing I would point out to those who say civil...One thing I would point out to those who say civilians could not stand up to a modern military is that is only true if the military takes the side of the dictator. In Egypt the military mostly stood aside and watched as events unfolded. In Libya Ghadafi is brining in hired mercenaries because large parts of the military refuse to fire on the crowd. What you end up with the crowd facing is the ttuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952185527962074906noreply@blogger.com