tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post1234739202440701610..comments2023-11-17T02:23:26.098-06:00Comments on A Penigma - a mystery, under a pseudonym: An (Un)civil SocietyPenigmahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comBlogger118125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-29667506009009258472014-07-30T16:09:48.809-05:002014-07-30T16:09:48.809-05:00No, Beard, you posted a link to a crime report. T...No, Beard, you posted a link to a crime report. Then you made a comment which was not correct, saying that 90% plus of murders were gang related, when in fact what that page on that report said was that 90% plus of gang related murders were committed by men. I then pointed out that ON YOUR LINK, on the report you cited, it showed that roughly 1000 murders per year are gang related, or less thanPenigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-336208371468882722014-07-29T13:28:28.768-05:002014-07-29T13:28:28.768-05:00You keep saying the same things that are untrue. ...You keep saying the same things that are untrue. I've said it all before and Put lots of links above that you have ignored.<br /><br />This has stopped being a debate.Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-80356131038747632742014-07-24T19:23:13.879-05:002014-07-24T19:23:13.879-05:00The point in the end being, by STARTING to reverse...The point in the end being, by STARTING to reverse the trend of greater levels of weaponry, perhaps we can also reverse the penchant to use such weapons. You can say they aren't related, but the fact is that lower levels of people owning guns has coincidentally aligned with lower levels of death by guns. Not causal, no, but not unrelated either. <br /><br />So yes, if you insist on not Penigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-65404861237954218622014-07-24T19:23:03.879-05:002014-07-24T19:23:03.879-05:00As for being done, in all honesty WB, I'm wear...As for being done, in all honesty WB, I'm weary of replying to the same, often incorrect and nearly always tangential points. I thought we'd long moved past whether guns were relevant to crime prevention, yet apparently in your zeal, you bring up crime data again, without being careful enough to have read the report thoroughly enough to understand it. It seems you cherry-picked the dataPenigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-4592672150093936042014-07-24T19:07:48.753-05:002014-07-24T19:07:48.753-05:00If you look on page 25, you'll see that in fac...If you look on page 25, you'll see that in fact, of the circumstances where the nature of the homicide was determined, only about 1000 were gang related, not 90%, 1000 doesn't even come to 10% You are quite incorrectPenigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-72553415857792093002014-07-24T19:03:43.288-05:002014-07-24T19:03:43.288-05:00Beard,
You need to learn how to read tables, it s...Beard,<br /><br />You need to learn how to read tables, it says no such thing. It says that 93.4% of GANG RELATED homicides were committed by males. Please learn how to observe the data. The tables on page 10 are PURELY about how the crimes break down by sex, nothing else. Your read of the data is utterly and incredibly wrong.<br /><br />I'll post more momentarily, but let me elucidate youPenigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-21553392636828436142014-07-22T11:06:47.615-05:002014-07-22T11:06:47.615-05:00So are we done here?So are we done here?Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-25982437300169717082014-07-20T08:52:59.674-05:002014-07-20T08:52:59.674-05:00Also just found this DOJ study http://www.bjs.gov/...Also just found this DOJ study http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf<br /><br />On page 10 it indeed states that the majority of homicides in this country are male-on-male, and over 90% of those crimes are "Drug or Gang Related". Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-21065557439246811112014-07-17T07:02:15.046-05:002014-07-17T07:02:15.046-05:00I posted the other videos in this series here. I...I posted the other videos in this series here. I really think his points really tie into the argument we're having. So here's the latest video<br />http://youtu.be/TpfUTE9z328<br /><br />EnjoyWeer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-33728194031350426112014-07-15T07:45:33.917-05:002014-07-15T07:45:33.917-05:00I'm glad we're getting away from the suici...I'm glad we're getting away from the suicides.<br /><br />As for the Mass Shootings, all you can present is data from the extremely anti-gun to a fault Mother Jones, who has been willing to bend numbers and use bad data to support their agenda. I've posted other data that says otherwise. Sorry I can't concede that point.<br /><br />Ok I guess you REALLY want to have a debate Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-32192227974755973592014-07-14T17:02:15.544-05:002014-07-14T17:02:15.544-05:00The invitation back into the discussion came when ...The invitation back into the discussion came when I provided Pen with the court decision upholding the DC ban on both assault and assault style weapons and large capacity magazines, from the New York Times, Oct. 2011.<br /><br />The presumption was that I had specific reference material to offer that was useful and germain to the discussion that he did not have as readily to hand.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-82541280203269300672014-07-14T09:36:21.344-05:002014-07-14T09:36:21.344-05:00In the period from 2003-2013, there were 33 mass s...In the period from 2003-2013, there were 33 mass shootings, from 1991 to 2002, there were 24, from 1982 to 1990, there were 9. That's thirty years of data. Our gun love affair is not helping.Penigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-59040140261742077152014-07-14T09:32:35.561-05:002014-07-14T09:32:35.561-05:00WB, you're right on one, wrong on the other.
...WB, you're right on one, wrong on the other.<br /><br />Suicide rates are comparable in the US, so I'll drop that point and modify my thinking entirely. Would you do the same?<br /><br />Mass shootings ARE higher, and deaths are far higher, http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-dataPenigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-14070391022886772962014-07-14T09:30:03.941-05:002014-07-14T09:30:03.941-05:00WB,
Ok, you get one (suicide rates) in the US are...WB,<br /><br />Ok, you get one (suicide rates) in the US are roughly comparable to other nations. I'll go one further, that undermines my statement that access to firearms makes suicide more prevalent. Unlike you, I'll even modify my stance on this point. Clearly access to firearms here isn't the driving point on suicide rates.<br /><br />However, on the rate of mass shootings, youPenigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-90870836858101855942014-07-14T09:21:03.969-05:002014-07-14T09:21:03.969-05:00You also, incorrectly, equated the majority of cri...You also, incorrectly, equated the majority of crime statistics as being primarily traceable to urban/gang violence. That's patently untrue. Point four (or maybe five, see below).<br /><br />Those who tote around semi-auto weapons on their backs are championing a false idea that their weapons make them more safe. There is NO evidence that is true. While there is the remote chance they'Penigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-19951338518437443902014-07-14T09:20:51.087-05:002014-07-14T09:20:51.087-05:00WB,
If I said mass shootings were on the rise ina...WB,<br /><br />If I said mass shootings were on the rise inaccurately, I'll apologize, but it's my impression they are based on past discussions and data I've seen elsewhere. Perhaps it was deaths related to mass shootings. It is further my impression suicide rates in the US are higher than in other countries of a similar background on a per capita basis. I'll check that of Penigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134413210507419937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-86674181619309689132014-07-14T05:02:26.275-05:002014-07-14T05:02:26.275-05:00Not how I read it, so I will respectfully wait fo...Not how I read it, so I will respectfully wait for Penigma to return to this thread.Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-34005626611679516132014-07-13T17:58:30.447-05:002014-07-13T17:58:30.447-05:00This seems to be a more accurate identification- R...This seems to be a more accurate identification- Reem Saleh Al-Riyashi, a Palestinian dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-91741262508862755522014-07-13T17:49:20.575-05:002014-07-13T17:49:20.575-05:00I believe that has been superseded when I provided...I believe that has been superseded when I provided content on topic in rebutting you.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-77296586854036200272014-07-13T17:21:19.304-05:002014-07-13T17:21:19.304-05:00All I have to go from this this request:
Lastly, ...All I have to go from this this request:<br /><br />Lastly, to DG and to you -<br /><br />DG - I engaged Beard here. This is my debate/discussion. I didn't talk about gun laws ON PURPOSE, please don't change the subject. I don't need you to. I want to stay on the need for guns vs. the want of firepower ON PURPOSE.<br /><br />Beard, while I agree you don't owe DG an answer, being Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-84964359037091699772014-07-13T14:47:14.006-05:002014-07-13T14:47:14.006-05:00No. Pen has NOT requested I stay out of this debat...No. Pen has NOT requested I stay out of this debate. In phone conversations, he's made it quite clear that I'm welcome.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-57383342776375947252014-07-13T10:24:13.659-05:002014-07-13T10:24:13.659-05:00Penigma has requested you stay out of this debate,...Penigma has requested you stay out of this debate, Dog Gone, and requested I not directly address your points.<br /><br />I will hold to his request.Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-20915473697999363932014-07-09T01:50:36.789-05:002014-07-09T01:50:36.789-05:00And yes, it is a matter of well-researched fact th...And yes, it is a matter of well-researched fact that guns DO cause suicide, in so far as it is documented that having a gun appears to lead to the more impulsive patterns of suicide, where NOT having that particular method of suicide available decreases suicides. Other methods of committing suicide are in contrast associated with long term planning and much greater determination, but are less dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-46640832127828153372014-07-09T01:43:28.186-05:002014-07-09T01:43:28.186-05:00Point of fact here, 'military style weapons...Point of fact here, 'military style weapons', as in the assault-style weapons, show up in crime on a daily basis.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6337568240689378702.post-18708223562131258402014-07-08T18:06:23.998-05:002014-07-08T18:06:23.998-05:00Your statements above simply aren't true or su...Your statements above simply aren't true or supported. You've noted that "military Style Weapons" are somehow a menace, yet you note that laws against them had no effect, nor do they really show up in the day-to-day crimes.<br /><br />Your postulate that mass shootings are on the rise is patently false, and I have presented data showing that. You have not made any effort to Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.com