Focus on the FamilyAs an example of their offensive positions, groups like the Family Research Council employ people to do their research and form their official positions, who openly advocate for the deportation and/or imprisonment of all gay and lesbian individuals. The list of corporations which are denouncing CVN, and ending their business relationship with the group continues to expand.
Family Research Council
Summit Ministries
Abiding Truth Ministries
Liberty Council
A former presidential candidate, now Fox pseudo'News' personality, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee is also employed as a spokesman and advisor for CVN; Huckabee incorrectly equates same sex sexual orientation with bestiality, necrophilia and pedophilia. Michele Bachmann makes similar ludicrous claims, statements she is trying to backpedal away from, now that she needs to be more centrist to appeal to mainstream voters:
Founders of CVN are right wing sort-of-celebrity Michael Lohan, noted among other things for his alcohol and drug use and his appearance on reality television in rehab, and minor celebrity Stephen Baldwin, noted extreme evangelical, and for advocating the debunked reparative 'pray away the gay' therapy, are the founders of CVN. Reparative therapy is discredited by all of the professional and medical associations in the U.S., and it is has a causal relationship not only to failed efforts to alter sexual orientation, but also for resulting in dramatic increases in suicide rates for those subjected to it.
There have been multiple reports, including most recently undercover video of the practice of reparative therapy, that link the clinic owned by Republican Congresswoman Michele Bachmann and her husband Marcus, where religion is promoted as therapy in spite of it violating professional standards for therapy. In addition, the Bachmann's promote the sale in the lobby of their clinic of a book written by a quasi religious quack who advocates for similar sexual reorientation, with personal endorsements by them.
Both Bachmann's are on record as having made extreme religious based anti-homosexual statements, and in the case of Michele Bachmann, have also advocated racist views about slavery and religion. Michele Bachmann is closely linked to the fraudulent religion exploiter, sleazy Bradlee Dean, who has similarly expressed repellent and extremist views on topics relating to false claims about the U.S. constitution; the dangers of homosexuality, including false and inaccurate claims about pedophilia and sexual predators (see video below, about 4:20 into the video); and racist comments which resulted in Dean losing his radio show on a local Salem network AM station, WWTC.
In fact, the link between homosexuality and child predators that Dean claims does not exist. I would encourage Penigma readers to read the entirety of the web site's content, but examples of the pertinent information is cited below, from the UCDavis website, Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation:
"For the present discussion, the important point is that many child molesters cannot be Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as representing a danger to the majority's most vulnerable members. For example, Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men in the United States were often lynched after being falsely accused of raping White women. In a similar fashion, gay people have often been portrayed as a threat to children.... It has also been raised in connection with scandals about the Catholic church's attempts to cover up the abuse of young males by priests.... [Child molesters] Instead of gender, their sexual attractions are based primarily on age. These individuals – who are often characterized as fixated – are attracted to children, not to men or women. ...Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. ....The researchers found that homosexual males responded no more to male children than heterosexual males responded to female children (Freund et al., 1989).
and in summing up the conclusions of existing research:
"Science cannot prove a negative. Thus, these studies do not prove that homosexual or bisexual males are no more likely than heterosexual males to molest children. However, each of them failed to prove the alternative hypothesis that homosexual males are more likely than heterosexual men to molest children or to be sexually attracted to children or adolescents."
Dean, whose accomplishments are minimal, has parlayed his fraudulent collections for a street ministry, into personal luxury, including a home valued at just under a half a million dollars, by making fraudulent representations about that ministry, including soliciting donations under a false name and promoting materials that are bogus and offensive to normal, mainstream, intelligent and informed people.
Texas Governor and now declared 2012 Presidential candidate Rick Perry recently hosted a much-ballyhooed, little attended prayer event. That "Response" event invited the governor's of the other 49 states to participate, which suggests a questionable division of church and state - they all appear to have declined. Looking at the participants in hosting the "Response", I couldn't find any NORMAL, NOT EXTREME / mainstream group involved in hosting this event.
The event itself was sponsored by the American Family Association; here is a list of some of the offensive positions promoted by that group, from Right Wing Watch ( I could have provided my own, but they appear to have been so well-researched and comprehensive, that I refer readers to them; I could not do better myself.):
The American Family Association
The American Family Association is the driving force behind The Response. Founded by the Rev. Don Wildmon in 1977, the organization is based is best known for its various boycott campaigns, promotion of art censorship, and political advocacy against women’s rights and LGBT equality. The organization also controls the vast American Family Radio and an online news service, in addition to sponsoring various conferences frequented by Republican leaders, including the Values Voter Summit and Rediscovering God in America. The AFA today is led by Tim Wildmon, Don’s son, and its chief spokesperson is Bryan Fischer, the Director of Issues Analysis for Government and Public Policy and host of its flagship radio show Focal Point.
Fischer routinely expresses support for some of the most bigoted and shocking ideas found in the Religious Right today. He has:
•held gays responsible for the Holocaust and likened them to domestic terrorists and Nazis who are intent on committing “virtual genocide” against the military, and asserts that “homosexuals should be disqualified from public office”;•said “we have feminized the Medal of Honor” by awarding it to a soldier who saved his fellow combatants rather than killing enemies;
•demanded all immigrants “convert to Christianity” and renounce their religions;
•asserted that Muslims have “no fundamental First Amendment claims” and should be banned from building mosques and deported from the US, adding that Muslims are inherently stupid as a result of inbreeding;
•claimed African American women “rut like rabbits” due to welfare and that Native Americans are “morally disqualified” from living in America because they didn’t convert to Christianity and were consequently cursed by God with alcoholism and poverty;
•said that the anti-Muslim manifesto of the right-wing Christian terrorist who killed dozens in Norway was “accurate.”
Other AFA leaders and activists are just as radical:
•AFA President Tim Wildmon claims that by repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell President Obama shows he “doesn’t give a rip about the Marines or the Army” and “just wants to force homosexuality into every place that he can.”International House of Prayer (not to be confused with the pancake people)
•AFA Vice President Buddy Smith, who is on the leadership council of The Response, said that gays and lesbians are “in the clasp of Satan.”
•The head of the AFA’s women’s group led a boycott against Glee because she accused it of indoctrinating children in homosexuality and idolatry.The editor of AFA Journal Ed Vitagliano said that gay pride months are an affront to the Founding Fathers and will usher in “a return to pagan sexuality.”
•A columnist for the AFA demanded Christians stop practicing yoga because it was inspired by the “evil” religions of Buddhism and Hinduism.
The Response’s leadership team includes five senior staff members of the International House of Prayer (IHOP), a large, highly political Pentecostal organization built on preparing participants for the return of Jesus Christ. In a recent video, IHOP encouraged supporters to pray for Jews to convert to Christianity in order to bring about the Second Coming. IHOP is closely associated with Lou Engle, a Religious Right leader whose anti-gay, anti-choice extremism hasn’t stopped him from hobnobbing with Republican leaders including Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann and Mike Huckabee. Engle is the founder of The Call, day-long rallies against abortion rights and gay marriage, which Engle says are meant to break Satan’s control over the U.S. government. One recent Call event featured “prophet” Cindy Jacobs calling for repentance for the “girl-on-girl kissing” of Britney Spears and Madonna. Perry's The Response event is clearly built upon Engle's The Call model.
Engle has a long history of pushing extreme right-wing views and advocating for a conservative theocracy in America.
Engle:
•is a proponent of “Seven Mountains” dominionism, a movement that seeks to have Christians take control of all aspects of American life, including government, business, entertainment and the media;supports the criminalization of homosexuality;
•claimed that universities with LGBT anti-discrimination measures are teaching students to “accept the mark of the beast”;IHOP’s founder and executive director, Mike Bickle, who is an official endorser of The Response, like Engle pushes radical End Times prophesies. In one sermon, he declared that Oprah Winfrey is a precursor to the Antichrist.
•is waging a “spiritual war” on the Supreme Court to get abortion outlawed in America;
•prayed that Ellen Degeneres will be “converted” from homosexuality.
•led a prayer rally in Jerusalem to lead one of the "greatest awakenings in the earth" to bring the Jews of Israel to Christianity.
•claimed that the devastating tornado in Joplin, Missouri was God’s judgment for abortion.
Tony Perkins
Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, is a co-chairman of The Response. At the FRC, Perkins has been a vocal opponent of LGBT equality, often relying on false claims about gay people to push his agenda.
He:
•called gay rights activists “intolerant,” “hateful,” “vile,” “spiteful” and “pawns” of Satan;Jim Garlow
•denied that there was a correlation between anti-gay bullying and depression and suicide, saying instead that gay and lesbian teens know they are “abnormal” and “have a higher propensity to depression or suicide because of that internal conflict";
•wrote that Senators would have "the blood of innocent soldiers on their hands" if they vote to repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell and allow gays to serve openly in the military;
•likened President Obama to a Middle East dictator when the president refused to defend the unconstitutional Defense of Marriage Act in court;
•said “I don’t know if the country can survive” another Obama term;
•said that armies that allow gays and lesbians to serve openly – including several U.S. allies in Iraq and Afghanistan –“participate in parades, they don’t fight wars to keep the world free.”
One of the most prominent members of The Response’s leadership team is pastor Jim Garlow. The pastor for a San Diego megachurch, Garlow has been intimately involved in political battles, especially the campaign to pass Proposition 8. Garlow invited and housed Lou Engle to lead The Call rallies around California for six months to sway voters to support Proposition 8, which would repeal the right of gay and lesbian couples to get married. He claims Satan is behind the “attack on marriage” and credits the prayer rallies for the passage of Prop 8. He said that during a massive The Call rally in San Diego’s Qualcomm Stadium “something had snapped in the Heavenlies” and “God had moved” to deliver Prop 8 to victory.
Most importantly, Garlow is a close spiritual adviser to presidential candidate Newt Gingrich and leads Gingrich’s Renewing American Leadership (ReAL). Garlow is a principal advocate of Seven Mountains Dominionism, and wants to “bring armies of people” to bring Religious Right leaders into public office and defeat their political opponents.
Garlow has a long record of extreme rhetoric.
He:
•when Prop 8 passed in California, claimed that African Americans “saved us from the bondage and enslavement that would come upon us if gay marriage actually passed in a state” and alleged marriage equality supporters are going to “totally destroy the definition of the family”;John Hagee
•likened homosexuality to bestiality, saying that if marriage equality is upheld “the next court case could conceivably say that if three people wanted to marry or four people or five people or if someone wanted to marry their dog or their horse”;
•compared gay adoption to children losing their parents in the September 11th attacks and said that supporters of gay rights are “almost like an Antichrist spirit”;
•told conservative activists that “your land has cancer” and believes that the “lethal ideological ‘radiation’” of progressives “is killing our nation” and “poisoning us and our children”;
•argued that legal abortion is responsible for unemployment.
While Senator John McCain rejected John Hagee’s endorsement during the 2008 presidential campaign for his “deeply offensive and indefensible” remarks, Perry invited Hagee to join The Response. Hagee leads a megachurch in San Antonio, Texas, and is a purveyor of End Times prophesies. Like members of the International House of Prayer, Hagee utilizes language of spiritual warfare and says he is part of “the army of the living God.” He runs the prominent group Christians United For Israel, which believes that eventually a cataclysmic war in the Middle East will bring about the Rapture.
John McCain was forced to disavow Hagee for a reason as the Texas pastor:
•claimed that God sent Hitler to be a “hunter” of Jews to usher in the establishment of Israel and “do God’s work,” lamenting that Jews are no longer “spiritually alive.”James Dobson
•referred to the Catholic Church as ‘The Great Whore,’ an ‘apostate church,’ the ‘anti-Christ,’ and a ‘false cult system.’
•believes that Hurricane Katrina “looked like the curse of God” and ravaged New Orleans in order to stop a “homosexual rally” and punish the city’s high “level of sin.”
•said that if gay marriage becomes legal “you can kiss this country goodbye,” alleged that the US is “rebirthing Sodom and Gomorrah,” and demanded that the government stop funding AIDS research and treatment to stop benefiting a “sinful lifestyle.”
•demands that “wives submit yourselves to your husbands” and said that the “husband has a God-given role as leader of your home.”
•said that God won’t allow the United States to win wars anymore because “we have allowed the worship of Satanism in the U.S. military.”
James Dobson, an official endorser of The Response, is one of the most prominent figures in the Religious Right. Founder of both Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council , Dobson has been instrumental in bringing the priorities of the Religious Right to Republican politics, including campaigning hard for President George W. Bush. But many of the views that Dobson pushes are hardly mainstream.
Dobson:
•is no fan of the women’s movement, writing that women are just “waiting for their husbands to assume leadership” ;
•claims that marriage equality will “destroy the Earth”;
•insists that the Religious Right’s fight against Planned Parenthood is “very similar” to that of abolitionists who fought against the slave trade.
•Asked if God had withdrawn his hand from America after 9/11, Dobson responded:
“Christians have made arguments on both sides of this question. I certainly believe that God is displeased with America for its pride and arrogance, for killing 40 million unborn babies, for the universality of profanity and for other forms of immorality. However, rather than trying to forge a direct cause-and-effect relationship between the terrorist attacks and America's abandonment of biblical principles, which I think is wrong, we need to accept the truth that this nation will suffer in many ways for departing from the principles of righteousness. "The wages of sin is death," as it says in Romans 6, both for individuals and for entire cultures.”
David Barton, an official endorser of The Response, is a self-proclaimed historian known for his twisting of American History and the Bible to justify right-wing political positions. Barton’s strategy is twofold: he first works to find Biblical bases for right-wing policy initiatives, and then argues that the Founding Fathers wanted the United States to be a Christian nation, so obviously wanted whatever policy he has just found a flimsy Biblical basis for. Barton, “documenting” the divine origins of his interpretations of the Constitution gives him and his political allies a potent weapon. Opponents who disagree about tax policy or the powers of Congress are not only wrong, they are un-American and anti-religious, enemies of America and of GodI continue to be amazed at the talent of the right to make large amounts of money that goes fully or in part, to line their personal pockets, off the base constituencies to whom they appeal. I continue to be appalled at the lies, disinformation, and misinformation that consistently is promoted by the right, including every serious contender for the Republican presidential nomination and the religious leaders and base which supports them.
David Barton.
Barton uses his shoddy historical and biblical scholarship to push a right-wing political agenda, including:
•Biblical Capitalism: Barton’s “scholarship” helps to form the basis for far-right economic policies. He claims that “Jesus was against the minimum wage,” that the Bible “absolutely condemned” the estate tax,” and opposed the progressive income tax.
•Revising Racial History: Barton has traveled the country peddling a documentary he made blaming the Democratic Party for slavery, lynching and Jim Crow…while ignoring more recent history.
•Opposing Gay Rights: Barton believes the government should regulate gay sex and maintains that countries which “rejected sexual regulation” inevitably collapse.
Other AlliesAmong the other far-right figures who signed on to work with Gov. Perry on The Response are:These Hate Zealots hiding under cover of religion and right wing politics do incalcuable harm to this country, and to specific groups of people. Their words are the justification for violence and hatred. From the FBI website on hate crimes: Definition:"..., Congress has defined a hate crime as a 'criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or n part by an offender's bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.' Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."
•Rob Schenk, an anti-choice extremist who was once arrested for throwing a fetus in the face of President Clinton, and who allegedly had ties with the murderer of abortion provider Dr. Barnett Slepian
•Loren Cunningham, who is working to mobilize support for the rally is a co-founder of the radical “Seven Mountains Dominionist” ideology. Cunningham says that he received the “seven mountains” idea, which holds that evangelical Christians must take hold of all aspects of society in order to pave the way for the Second Coming, in a message directly from God.
•Doug Stringer, The Response's National Church and Ministry Mobilization Coordinator, who blamed American secularism and the increased acceptance of homosexuality for the 9/11 attacks, saying “It was our choice to ask God not to be in our every day lives and not to be present in our land.”
•Cindy Jacobs, self-proclaimed “prophet” and endorser of The Response, who famously insisted that birds were dying in Arkansas earlier this year because of the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.
•C. Peter Wagner, an official endorser of The Response, is one of the most prominent leaders of the New Apostolic Reformation, a controversial movement whose followers believe they are prophets and apostles on par with Christ himself (other adherents include Engle, Jacobs and Anh). Wagner has advocated burning Catholic, Mormon and non-Christian religious objects. He blamed the Japanese stock market crash and later the devastating earthquake and tsunami in the country on a traditional ritual in which the emperor supposedly has “sexual intercourse” with the pagan Sun Goddess.
•Che Ahn, a mentor of John Hagee and official endorser of The Response, who endorses “Seven Mountains” dominionism and compares the fight against gay rights to the fight against slavery.
•John Benefiel, a self-proclaimed "apostle" and official endorser of The Response, who claims the Statue of Liberty is a "demonic idol" and that homosexuality is a plot cooked up by the Illuminati to control the world's population, and that he renamed the District of Columbia the “District of Christ” because he has “more authority than the U.S. Congress does.”
•James “Jay” Swallow, official endorser of the rally, who calls himself a “spiritual warrior” and hosts “Strategic Warriors At Training (SWAT): A Christian Military Training Camp for the purpose of dealing with the occult and territorial enemy strong holds in America.”
•Alice Smith, who advocates "spiritual housecleaning" because demons "sneak into" homes through everyday objects.
•Willie Wooten, a self-proclaimed “apostle” who claims that God is punishing the African American community for supporting gay rights, reproductive freedom and the Democratic Party.
•Pastor Stephen Broden – Broden, an endorser of The Response, has repeatedly insisted that a violent overthrow of the U.S. government must remain “on the table.”
•Timothy F. Johnson – Johnson, a former vice-chairman of the North Carolina GOP, was elected to that post despite two domestic violence convictions and still unresolved questions about his military service and educational record.
•Alice Patterson – Patterson, a member of The Response's leadership team, insists that the Democratic Party is controlled by a "demonic structure."
From an MSN/AP article in 2009:
Crimes motivated by raceHate crimes in every other category, OTHER than sexual orientation (real or perceived) and religion have trended downwards, although that trend is minimal for racially based hate crimes. Crimes based on sexual orientation have increased, and one factor for that is the hate, fear and misinformation promoted by the right, especially the so-called 'religious right'. Another category for hate crimes is immigrant status, or perceived immigrant status, another topic for hysteria rather than reason and fact.
Half of all hate crimes are motivated by race, according to the FBI. One out of every five is driven by religious bias, and one out of every six is based on sexual orientation bias.
The right dislikes having what they characterize as fringe groups included in their mainstream, but the bottom line is that the people they are considering as presidential candidates, this election, and the last election, largely fit that description. We cannot afford to run, much less elect, candidates for the highest office in this country who believe these views, who listen to these people, who rely on their support, and who want to impose this hateful, horrible mindset on our country. This is not about politics; it is about sanity opposing insanity, it is about moderate centrists opposing extremists.
This is about reality based Americans opposing the demented fear and fantasy driven ideologues.
Lots of good information and I like your last paragraph (though people should be allowed to listen to whomever they like), but..
ReplyDeleteI think you go too deep here - too much information. Anyone not certain of just how wacky these folks are only needed to read the first two or three examples.
And yes, these are the SAME folks people like Pawlenty and Bachmann and Perry are wooing, are concerned about wooing. They are the reason we tried to prostelitize in Iraq, the reason the right so frequently shows a scornful side toward homosexuals, even though they have plenty in the Republican Party, and lastly, the reason there is so much belly-aching about taxes. They hate paying for social programs they think are helping the lazy (which they equate to blacks), or cheaters (which they equate to hispanics) or those who are sick and scary (gays).
You know, Pen, I left out so much more than what I included.
ReplyDeleteI left out the looney tune who believes the statue of liberty is some sort of pagan idolatry symbol, and so many more similarly nutty ideas and beliefs that are far from the mainstream, of even the more sane and moderate right.
I didn't get nearly as far in to the racial aspects of these right wing presidential wannabes as I could have either.
As a black American, Herman Cain should be ashamed of himself, associating with these loons, except that he too signs on to an appalling quantity of this same bullshit, epecially the islamophobic parts. He is anti-gay, and would reinstate don't ask don't tell; and anti-abortion, even in cases of rape or incest or to save the life of the mother.
There doesn't appear to be a single GOP candidate seriously in the running who isn't running to the extreme right, out of touch with the mainstream of the center, independents, some conservatives / republicans, and all of the left.
These people are not just politically different, they are seriously crazy, and seriously out of touch with reality.
Back in the mid-90s, there was an exhibit on Jews in the American Civil War and someone signed the guestbook with a comment along the lines of:
ReplyDelete"This is impossible since someone can't be a good American unless they are a Christian"
My response was that Article VI said that "No relgious test was required for public office under the Constitution. The First Amendment states that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Therefore the comment that anyone who is not a Christian is not a good American is an absurdity."
I know I say this quite a bit, but Americans should run whenever a politician starts discussing religion. I would prefer it if politicians would point to Article VI and say that government and religion should not mix.
DG,
ReplyDeleteI'm sure you're right, I'm sure there is a mountain more. I see it every day, every time I talk with "ultra-conservatives", the double-speak, the feeling that these people are not quite all there and are deeply hateful of many things, sometimes including themselves. I see it when I hear them verbally use racial epithets, or equate welfare to "welfare mommas" which they invariably describe as black, or when they privately refer to gays as perverts and so on.. in so many ways and so many times I see the references to bigotry. I also see the hate they hold for liberals, for anyone trying to stand up against their comfortable status quo by pointing out it's unfair and unjust to perpetuate an imbalanced society. I also see it in the words they use to justify religious based intolerance, quoting Leviticus rather than Jesus, despite being Christians (in name at least), in that they forget the love aspect, and simply tout the sin and punishment side. I also see it in the simpleton approach to economic discussions. Someone (on CNBC - didn't see the name) had the temerity to point out that AS A PERCENTAGE OF INCOME, the rich pay far less than they used to, then Larry Kudlow and his ultra-con economist tittered and said, "But, but, I seem to recall tehy pay a much higher percentage of total income taxes." The guy wasn't offered the opportunity to say, "Duh.. are you guys truly that thick?? OF COURSE they pay more of the total now, because they MAKE MUCH more of the total. Should we have them pay the same percentage of the total that they used to despite the fact that their income quadruppled? How absurd and simplistic do you really need to be to justify your totally unjust economy. Talk about cherry picking facts."
Too often the justifications for things are these snipits, 3 second sound bites which they THINK represent important facts, but rarely are anything other than spoon fed "psuedo-data" signifying nothing.
Laci, I concur, there is a lot of background around "Godspeak" which is so often used by the right-wingers and which the left's politicos have been effectively forced to take up as well. I wish they wouldn't, but they did. God has about as much to do with politics as bears do with heaven.
My hope in writing this Pen, other readers, was two fold. First to expose the extent of the stupidity of these beliefs (Oprah is the Biblical whore of Babylon? The Statue of Liberty is a prohibited Idol? The earthquakes in Japan occurred because the Japanese emperor had ritual sex with the pagan deity/ sun goddess. (Or the earlier version of similar nonsense, the earthquakes in Haiti occurred not because of geological faults, but because of an earlier pact with the devil to end slavery.)
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping that the very eccentricities of these will lead people to read all the way down, out of curiosity.
But secondly, I'm hoping that by holding them up to scrutiny, I also hold those candidates who espouse or court these extremist groups up to scrutiny, and through scrutiny, effective opposition through ridicule.
Because as utterly horrible as this stuff is, on another level than horror, you have to just plain laugh at these people for the idiocy of what they believe. While I generally believe we should respect each other's beliefs, this isn't religion, it is superstition masquerading as spirituality.
Beliefs like this wither away and fall to dust in the face of both contradicting fact, and ridicule and laughter, more so than any other form of opposition.
just found you via white rabbit (i'm another brit). loving this obsessive car-crash analysis of the right. i know how you feel when confronted with ideas that just have nooooo basis in anything you recognise as being from this planet.
ReplyDeletebut the house rules? please can't we be rude about these hateful pus-filled wingnuts? huh? huh????
Dear Simply,
ReplyDeleteFirst, Welcome to Penigma!! Comment often and we'll happily reply, usually in some glib, self-important way :), afer all, we like our own opinions enough to start a blog..
But half-seriously, we don't like ad hominem. If you have a reasoned argument and want to close it with "and so I think Republicans are lemmings" or "right--wing whack jobs like Michelle Bachman" a statement supportable by past facts, that's cricket, but simply calling someone an A$$hat, traitor who likes to lick the manure off of Obama's back-side, well, i'd have to call foul on that and give you a warning. Frankly, if you think it would offend the easily offended, but not those with some level of skin, you're probably ok, but skirting the edge, if on the other hand you start throwing out racial epithets or threatening people's lives/questioning their love of country, you're over the line.
Play reasonably nice.
Penigma
Welcome from me as well, simply! I have Laci the Crested, a Brit, to thank for introducing me to White Rabbit's blog.
ReplyDeleteIf you are more fun than mean, exasperated rather than really malicious, you will be reasonably safe. We can get fairly rowdy, but I hope never cross that line into horribly nasty.
We will do our best to entertain as well as inform!
ReplyDeleteThanks for visit. As for the stuff you quote - if someone made it up they would be told they needed help to deal with their crazed fantasy life.
ReplyDeleteWelcome White Rabbit, as well!
ReplyDeleteI hope you and simply wondered will visit and comment often. I will try to continue to visit your blog as well, and comment.
Thanks!
gosh - i'm learning stuff already. manure on obama's backside? some kind of secret service plot no doubt. i shall keep it to myself.
ReplyDeletethanks both for your gracious welcome - sure i will feel at home here given that i am very fond of my own opinions too. maybe it will become the second us blog i visit - after the always wonderful violet socks.
she rocks.
Ahhhhhhhhhh....simplywondered, that was Pen giving a hypothetical example of the kinds of things Bachmann and some others on the faaaaaaaaaaaar far right like to say about Obama. Like the right wing comments, it is not intended to be factual.
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