Terry, nice to have you comment, but I notice you have not responded to Pen's last challenge to you.
It is scary how low the turnout is for the right this election cycle, how high the disapproval ratings are for the tea party specifically and conservatives generally.
Not sure who the 'they' are in your comment, but yes, it would be lovely if the Nut Gingrich were a bit more factual and bit less beligerent.
Every time he railed in Iowa about how few conservatives liked Romney, I couldn't help but notice that even more conservatives seemed to DISLIKE the Nut, and wifey number 3 doesn't seem to be a winner with many people either.
It points to a story by an INDEPENDENT CNN contributor who makes the exact point DG and many others have made, namely:
The Democrats are criticized by their base because they have moved to the right, have comprimised with the Right, and Obama especially, time and again. They gained strength in 2008 because they campaigned on being more centrist - not less.
You hyper-conservatives (or if we use the correct word, REACTIONARIES) - you belly-ache and bally-hoo about your party not being conservative enough, even though they generally refuse to comprimise (except on things like the payroll tax where they were going to otherwise take a political bath). They bring us to the brink of default as a nation, they cause our credit rating to be lowerd because of their unwillingness to comprimise - and the upshot is..
The independent vote now 40% of the electorate, has become repulsed by the run to the right which Romney and others have undertaken. In contrast to Obama in 2008 (and now), your chosen political view (conservatism) requires oaths of fealty, pledges to extremist policies and positions, and the country is turned off.
Your problem is NOT that your candidates aren't conservative enough, it's that your base is so extreme, so unyielding, so angry and irrational (you all are ready to believe things like Obama spent $200M a day in India) no one with any common sense can possibly come out from it.
So, laugh all you like, but it's the maniacal kind, the only one you are effective in mocking, is sitting at your keyboard. The rest of us shake our heads and wonder when you'll rejoin the folks on THIS planet.
Dog Gone, I cut-and-pasted that comment from Berg's SITD. It was made by a person claiming to one "Earsall Mackbee" (I believe Penigma knows Mackbee very, very well). I plead fair use. This is an example of the childish, snarky comments "Mackbee" has been dropping at SITD. I thought that perhaps Pen would realize how silly a comment it was if he saw it on his own blog.
I really don't know who the GOP candidate will be in Nov. or if he will win, but I am comforted by the fact that Obama and his party were given a stinging defeat in 2012. America has not embraced the policies of Obama because, at least through 2010, they were dictated by Pelosi and Reid, and their outlook is provincial. A President should not have a provincial outlook.
You have a broken sense of introspection if you immediately follow a remark that the GOP is more conservative than the moderates with a remark that Obama is being criticized from the Left by his own base and not see the irony. Maybe it was supposed to be a joke?
"but I am comforted by the fact that Obama and his party were given a stinging defeat in 2012."
I believe you mean that the left was given a stinging defeat in 2010, not 2012 - just pointing that out for clarity (it's a mistake I find myself making too sometimes).
Since the 2010 election, Republicans in congress have a lower approval rating and a markedly higher disapproval rating than the left. There appears to be plenty of buyers remorse.
Further the tea party has declined markedly, based on the infrequency of their events, and the steadily, and in some cases steeply declining attendance. They appear to be a spent force, and there no longer appears to be the astro-turfing money behind it that made it what it was. In contrast, so far as I can tell, there is relativley little organizing big money behind the occupy movement, and they appear to be far more centrist than the right.
The low turnouts for the primaries and caucuses are far more telling than the candidates. Your own side doesn't like who is running.
The left and center, in contrast, appears to have rallied back towards Obama. I think your side is going to be facing a more stinging rebuke in the 2012 than the 2006, or 2008 elections, and that is saying a lot. It could well exceed the 2010 defeat of the dems.
Another indicator in that direction is the huge number of signatures collected in WI, which I believe exceeds the votes for either candidate made in the 2010 election. My best guess is that Walker is not only going to be recalled, along with his Lt. Gov., he's going to be recalled by a humiliating margin.
Looks to me like the Dems, despite the claims of the GOP, did a good job of vetting most if not all of those signatures before submitting them.
I wish that the right would in fact be the balance to the left that a largely two party system should achieve. Instead they've gone so far right they are no longer engaged and have become largely extremist.
The current fuss over birth control is a perfect example.
As was noted in a number of places - some of the Catholic educational institutions that are supposedly being 'attacked' by the Obama pro-contraception plan have been offering contraception on campus and offering contraception insurance coverage to their employees for decades.
It is a straw man issue, and a joke to anyone who looks at it in any depth. It is one more way in which instead of engaging constructively the right has marginalized themselves from the mainstream.
And that is a shame. Moderate should NOT be a dirty word.
I leave the senseless comments to folks like KR, Michael Brodkorb and the rest of the Mitchkateers. I haven't visited shot in the foot in about two years, so please take your fanciful, fartuous musings back to their proper venue, ie back to the blog from hence they've sprung. I assure you it wasn't here and it surely wasn't me.
Put a different way,you acusation is, as many things you write have been, factually incorrect. A big man would express his regret at making such so carelessly.
If they could only learn from this cute little blog……hahahahahahahaha!
ReplyDeleteTerry, nice to have you comment, but I notice you have not responded to Pen's last challenge to you.
ReplyDeleteIt is scary how low the turnout is for the right this election cycle, how high the disapproval ratings are for the tea party specifically and conservatives generally.
Not sure who the 'they' are in your comment, but yes, it would be lovely if the Nut Gingrich were a bit more factual and bit less beligerent.
Every time he railed in Iowa about how few conservatives liked Romney, I couldn't help but notice that even more conservatives seemed to DISLIKE the Nut, and wifey number 3 doesn't seem to be a winner with many people either.
Terry,
ReplyDeletePlease follow this link:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/15/opinion/avlon-independents-romney/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
It points to a story by an INDEPENDENT CNN contributor who makes the exact point DG and many others have made, namely:
The Democrats are criticized by their base because they have moved to the right, have comprimised with the Right, and Obama especially, time and again. They gained strength in 2008 because they campaigned on being more centrist - not less.
You hyper-conservatives (or if we use the correct word, REACTIONARIES) - you belly-ache and bally-hoo about your party not being conservative enough, even though they generally refuse to comprimise (except on things like the payroll tax where they were going to otherwise take a political bath). They bring us to the brink of default as a nation, they cause our credit rating to be lowerd because of their unwillingness to comprimise - and the upshot is..
The independent vote now 40% of the electorate, has become repulsed by the run to the right which Romney and others have undertaken. In contrast to Obama in 2008 (and now), your chosen political view (conservatism) requires oaths of fealty, pledges to extremist policies and positions, and the country is turned off.
Your problem is NOT that your candidates aren't conservative enough, it's that your base is so extreme, so unyielding, so angry and irrational (you all are ready to believe things like Obama spent $200M a day in India) no one with any common sense can possibly come out from it.
So, laugh all you like, but it's the maniacal kind, the only one you are effective in mocking, is sitting at your keyboard. The rest of us shake our heads and wonder when you'll rejoin the folks on THIS planet.
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ReplyDeleteDog Gone, I cut-and-pasted that comment from Berg's SITD. It was made by a person claiming to one "Earsall Mackbee" (I believe Penigma knows Mackbee very, very well).
ReplyDeleteI plead fair use.
This is an example of the childish, snarky comments "Mackbee" has been dropping at SITD. I thought that perhaps Pen would realize how silly a comment it was if he saw it on his own blog.
I really don't know who the GOP candidate will be in Nov. or if he will win, but I am comforted by the fact that Obama and his party were given a stinging defeat in 2012. America has not embraced the policies of Obama because, at least through 2010, they were dictated by Pelosi and Reid, and their outlook is provincial. A President should not have a provincial outlook.
ReplyDeleteYou have a broken sense of introspection if you immediately follow a remark that the GOP is more conservative than the moderates with a remark that Obama is being criticized from the Left by his own base and not see the irony. Maybe it was supposed to be a joke?
"but I am comforted by the fact that Obama and his party were given a stinging defeat in 2012."
ReplyDeleteI believe you mean that the left was given a stinging defeat in 2010, not 2012 - just pointing that out for clarity (it's a mistake I find myself making too sometimes).
Since the 2010 election, Republicans in congress have a lower approval rating and a markedly higher disapproval rating than the left. There appears to be plenty of buyers remorse.
Further the tea party has declined markedly, based on the infrequency of their events, and the steadily, and in some cases steeply declining attendance. They appear to be a spent force, and there no longer appears to be the astro-turfing money behind it that made it what it was. In contrast, so far as I can tell, there is relativley little organizing big money behind the occupy movement, and they appear to be far more centrist than the right.
The low turnouts for the primaries and caucuses are far more telling than the candidates. Your own side doesn't like who is running.
The left and center, in contrast, appears to have rallied back towards Obama. I think your side is going to be facing a more stinging rebuke in the 2012 than the 2006, or 2008 elections, and that is saying a lot. It could well exceed the 2010 defeat of the dems.
Another indicator in that direction is the huge number of signatures collected in WI, which I believe exceeds the votes for either candidate made in the 2010 election. My best guess is that Walker is not only going to be recalled, along with his Lt. Gov., he's going to be recalled by a humiliating margin.
Looks to me like the Dems, despite the claims of the GOP, did a good job of vetting most if not all of those signatures before submitting them.
I wish that the right would in fact be the balance to the left that a largely two party system should achieve. Instead they've gone so far right they are no longer engaged and have become largely extremist.
The current fuss over birth control is a perfect example.
As was noted in a number of places - some of the Catholic educational institutions that are supposedly being 'attacked' by the Obama pro-contraception plan have been offering contraception on campus and offering contraception insurance coverage to their employees for decades.
It is a straw man issue, and a joke to anyone who looks at it in any depth. It is one more way in which instead of engaging constructively the right has marginalized themselves from the mainstream.
And that is a shame. Moderate should NOT be a dirty word.
Terry,
ReplyDeleteI leave the senseless comments to folks like KR, Michael Brodkorb and the rest of the Mitchkateers. I haven't visited shot in the foot in about two years, so please take your fanciful, fartuous musings back to their proper venue, ie back to the blog from hence they've sprung. I assure you it wasn't here and it surely wasn't me.
Put a different way,you acusation is, as many things you write have been, factually incorrect. A big man would express his regret at making such so carelessly.