Let examine what the two main areas are that the right is trying on for size, calling Obama a Muslim, and black liberation theology. But if he was Muslim, that's fine; we have no religious test for office.
It is true that President Obama grew up exposed to a greater first hand knowledge of Islam, living in other parts of the world during a part of his childhood. At no time did he join that religion, and if knowing about it, more so than any of the other candidates,which is likely to be incredibly helpful in his role as President, is wrong, are we to condemn everyone who has a familiarity with other religions? to be consistent, we then have to condemn everyone who has studied world religions or taken comparative religion classes. Those are required at some religious affiliated institutions of higher learning, and they are elective classes used to fulfill humanities requirements in others.
What the tame conservative liar Cain DOESN'T happen to mention, which makes him a flaming hypocrite as well as an apparent serial sexual harasser and possible adulterer, is that he himself is prominently affiliated with and claims to have been strongly influenced by a black liberation theology church with ties to Islam, Malcolm X. That would be the prominent Antioch Baptist church in Atlanta, Georgia, under the leadership and preaching of Rev. C.M. Alexander. According to this bio, Cain is an associate minister of the Antioch Baptist church (my emphasis added - DG):
Cain also serves as an associate minister at Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta, which he joined at the age of 10.[37] The church is part of the National Baptist Convention[38] and is politically liberal and theologically conservative; the church's senior pastor, Rev. Cameron M. Alexander, does not share Cain's political philosophy.[39][40]
So apparently Herman Cain is all too familiar with being a long time, active member of a church that preaches black liberation theology, while disagreeing with the senior pastor. Except in this case it was the senior pastor who repudiated the politics of Herman Cain, unlike Obama repudiating the views of Rev. Wright.
I don't recall ever seeing or hearing a single right wing pundit criticize Herman Cain or question him about his religious association with a church that has been prominent for black liberation theology.Newsvine's Bonos Rama did an excellent article on Herman Cain and his religious views, which make Cain's puppet speech recently criticizing Obama all the more clearly hypocritical. From the newsvine piece:
If it is true that a person can be held responsible for the words of their preacher and can be said to embrace their preacher's philosophies by sitting in a pew, why has no one on the right spoken out about Herman Cain's pastor, Reverend C.M. Alexander? Reverend Alexander is affiliated with the extremely liberal Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta, Georgia. The main page of Antioch's web page mentions how Alexander was drawn to liberation theology:
Like early African American preachers, Alexander is drawn to the power of those texts. Indeed, during slavery, black prophetic preachers saw the Bible as a tool for social justice. Rejecting the racist politics of the white church, which erroneously taught that God ordained slavery, early black preachers chose to worship a God of liberation.The church's website also mentions that Alexander considers Nation of Islam leader Malcolm X to be one of his influences:
Influenced by civil rights luminaries like Malcolm X, Mary McCloud Bethune, Dr. Benjamin E. Mays and Rosa Parks, Alexander says he’s always been involved in civil rights in one way or the other.http://www.antiochnorth.org/ourpastor.htm
Now, Malcolm X was an avowed racist who taught that white people were a race of devils, and also proclaimed the following:
"The common enemy is the white man."So why has Cain been sitting in this church for years, listening to his preacher, who espouses liberation theology and counts Malcolm X as his influence -- and IS HIMSELF A MINISTER IN THAT CHURCH? If the right is correct and sitting in a church makes you responsible for all of the philosophies espoused by its preacher, and if liberation theology is, as they claim, racist, then Cain should have to answer for sitting in a church that espouses the philosophies of Malcolm X and liberation theology. So why has the right given him a pass on this?
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"I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't make you a diner, unless you eat some of what's on that plate. Being here in America doesn't make you an American.... No I'm not an American, I'm one of the 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy.... I'm speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of a victim. I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare."
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President Obama seems to have conducted himself in a manner far more consistent with family values than Herman Cain has. President Obama has done more to clarify how his views differ from those of Reverend Wright than Herman Cain has. And as for being 'anti-American', as distinct from being legitimately critical of some aspects of America, including government, I would point out that Rev. Wright has a very distinguished CV in terms of performing his patriotic duty, one that is rather more distinguished than that of Herman Cain:
In 1961 Wright left college and joined the United States Marine Corps and became part of the 2nd Marine Division attaining the rank of private first class. In 1963, after two years of service, Wright joined the United States Navy and entered the Corpsman School at the Great Lakes Naval Training Center.[11][12] Wright was then trained as a cardiopulmonary technician at the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland. Wright was assigned as part of the medical team charged with care of President Lyndon B. Johnson (see photo of Wright caring for Johnson after his 1966 surgery). Before leaving the position in 1967, the White House Physician, Vice Admiral Burkley, personally wrote Wright a letter of thanks on behalf of the United States President.[13][14][15]I think that service gives Wright the right to have a constructively critical opinion of some aspects of the United States. Further black liberation theology is just one subset of a larger theology of Christian Social Justice that is not race specific.
Apparently the right is only concerned with anti-white racism; anti-black racism is perfectly acceptable in religious bigotry in their candidates.
I don't have a problem with Mitt R-money's religion; I have a problem with Mitt R-money being a liar, and espousing disaterous economic policies, I have a problem with him not standing up for what is right against Rush Limbaugh, and for his past apparent racism and bullying. And he was cruel to his dog.. I believe R-money is, as Rick Parry called him, a vulture capitalist, or more correctly a vampire capitalist (sucks all the resources out of companies until they are dead). I think Herman Cain is simply a pig with incredibly poor ideas about economics who should learn to keep his hands to himself, along with his more private body parts, and who should be less of a flaming hypocrite. He will never be president of the United States; I doubt he could get elected local dog catcher, and that is unlikely to change. His time to be the token black person the GOP trots out to replace Michael Steele, is likely to be short lived until they can find some other black conservative to take his place.
To give you an example of what is so objectionable about Mitt R-money and Herman Cain, and what THEY think is ok, Big money man Ricketts, who is spreading around big amounts of cash all over Wisconsin on behalf of Scott Walker, and who put up millions for the campaign to smear Obama, including the criticism of his association with Reverend Wright, is seeking corporate welfare for the upgrades and repairs to the stadium where his baseball team plays THAT HE OWNS. Because while he spends his own money to play politics in the millions of dollars, he wants the city to subsidize his business assets. From the San Francisco Chronicle:
The Ricketts family, the eighth ownership group in the 136- year history of the Cubs, acquired a 95 percent controlling interest in the team, Wrigley Field and 25 percent of Comcast Sportsnet Chicago in 2009. Joe Ricketts' children -- Pete, Tom, Laura and Todd -- are on the board.
The Cubs team, which claimed back-to-back World Series titles in 1907 and 1908 and hasn't won the championship since, is seeking support for a proposal to relax Wrigley's landmark status and boost its advertising and sponsorship revenue.
The possible changes range from more outfield signs to street closings every game day to make space for street fairs. The stadium is among the city's top tourist attractions.The team also wants to use about $200 million in projected growth from existing amusement taxes to construct a building near the stadium to house its offices, a restaurant, parking, hall of fame, pro-shop and ticket windows.Because this is how Republican policies work - spend money to end government spending for others, while hijacking as much public money for personal profit and advantage as possible, without regard to the hardship taking money from the pockets of ordinary, 99%er citizens might cause. The right are hypocrites, supporting hypocrite policies and hypocrite politicians. It's a bonus for them when they can throw in a little racism, religious bigotry and general intolerance and divisiveness. THIS is why I oppose the right. This is why YOU should oppose the right too.
World Bank definition of corruption - use of public office for private gain. Sounds like Ricketts to me; he appears to be paying for the election of public officials to contribute to his private gain.
I don't have a problem with Mitt R-money's religion;
ReplyDeleteI strongly disagree with you and hope that you will review Mr. Romney's work as Bishop and later Stake President at his Belmont Meeting House (the expansive LDS facility that he help build in Massachusetts).
As Bishop, Mitt Romney would knock on the door of a member, ‘Can I come in?’ ‘I was driving home and I just had a feeling that God has a message for you. And he can’t get to you directly ’cause you’re too tired, but the message is that God loves you. And that he’s happy with what you are doing for other people.’
OK ... that story demonstrates that Mr. Romney is not a casual church-goer but willing to engage with others to advance his faith, but then there are the stories about his stance on abortion and single-mothers ... like when Bishop Romney tried to persuade a pregnant woman not to have an abortion, even though she had a life-threatening condition. Her doctor and the Mormon Stake President, a church position above Bishop Romney, had already advised her to get an abortion.
“Into the picture walked Mitt and he took a fairly aggressive stance: carry the baby to term,” Ron Scott, a distant cousin of Romney's and his biographer, said. “People have seen that as being a sign of a fairly heartless, imperious kind of guy, or was he simply just being overly zealous in the way he was trying to lead and to provide moral counsel to someone in his charge, counsel that was consistent with what he perceived to be the teachings of his church?”
That comment is coming from someone that is his supporter.
Recommended reading : The Real Romney specifically the chapters on his Mormon religion. There are stories about his recommending single Mothers giving up their children so that the child could be raised in a two-parent home (and that does not mean two individuals of the same sex.)
The question that should be asked : Will Romney's religious philosophy impact his nominations to the Courts ? Consider that Ginsberg is 79, Scalia and Kennedy are 76 and Breyer is 74 ... any or all could be replaced in the next four years ... now, do you have a concern about Mr. Romney's religion ?
Regarding the Rickets - Wright controversy, it worked for the purpose that they wanted. When the NYTimes published the story, it allowed Romney to urge PACs not to go that route while the Obama-Wright association was rekindled in the minds of voters ... all done without spending a dime on production of the commercial or paying for it to be run.
Just curious, did you see Saturday Night Live when Mick Jagger introduced "Tea Party," which he wrote it about the presidential election.
ReplyDeleteHere are the lyrics to the song:
If you want to sleep in the West Wing
Yeah, you got to strategize a bit
Yeah, you want to sleep in the West Wing
You want to keep that private bowling alley
You got to strategize a bit
Yeah, you're gonna have to raise about a hundred million dollars
Or you're gonna end up so deep down in the sh*t
Yeah, Mr. Romney, you know, he's a mensch
But he always plays it straight up there
Yeah, Mr. Romney, he's a hard workin' man
And he always says his prayers
Yeah, but there's one little thing about him
Don't ever let him cut your hair
Who'll be the president come November?
Well, it's anybody's guess
Who'll be sitting in the Oval Office?
Who can say? I must confess
I betcha, betcha six months he'll be screaming
Won't you let me outta this mess
Yeah, I like the dig about Romney cutting hair to torment others, but have you watched him enter an event … he walks so slow … not like a man of 65 but of someone that is 85 … seeing how President Obama has aged in 3-½ years, will Romney be able to handle the job for four years … thus, Jagger’s right … who would want this job … yep, the winner will be screaming Won't you let me outta this mess
Let me clarify - I don't have a problem with Mormons per se; some of them practice that religion very differently than Mitt R-money does, and do so in an exemplary and admirable fashion. Notably, Mitt R-money's father was one of those who appear to have worked from within the faith to correct their very evil position towards black people, for example.
ReplyDeleteThat is not to say that I believe Mitt has followed his practice of religion equally admirably; the indications are in fact that he has not, as in the case you mentioned.
But that can be said of many religions, notably Roman Catholicism, for example. There are extraodrinarily inspiring lives of faith, and then there are the opposite where faith has represented the worst of human nature, and been used as the justification for the most heinous and oppressive actions towards others.
I would refer you to the Free Thinker blog today on our blog roll, for some striking current examples of the latter.
My knowledge of George Romney is limited, but from what I have read, he was quite progressive ... thus, the question should be why hasn't Mitt Romney followed his lead.
ReplyDeleteYes, George Romney was open to blacks ... but it wasn't until 1978 that the LDS changed their rules to allow blacks to participate ... Mitt Romney was 31 then ... is there any record of him speaking out on this issue with his Father ?
Mitt could have exhibited leadership during his tenure as Bishop and Stake President ... but the accounts that I have read indicate that he held true to "old" doctrine ... and frankly, this missed opportunity should be a concern -- especially regarding women.
From my reading, the Mormon position on women has changed little since its founding, as the official view is "By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children." OK, in plain English, "the woman's primary place is in the home, where she is to rear children and abide by the righteous counsel of her husband". Marriage is referred to as a "Celestial" marriage, or an eternal marriage. It survives death, and can continue into the afterlife, if the couple is obedient to the gospel. "...the husband and wife--and their family members past and present who are Mormon--will be together forever." Without being celestially married to a holder of the priesthood (who happen to be any Mormon man), a woman cannot be "saved".
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Abortion is a serious issue ... and the Mormon religion is quite clear - "The Church opposes elective abortion for personal or social convenience. Members must not submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for an abortion. Abortion is a most serious matter and should be considered only after the persons responsible have consulted with their bishops and received divine confirmation through prayer."
ReplyDeleteWHY the Republican Religious Right would have a problem with Bishop Romney is incomprehensible to me ... his track record as a Bishop is to deny the operation even when recommended by doctors ... heck, with States wanting to extend the time period and counseling required before a procedure is performed, under a President Romney, would you be surprised to see a requirement that a Member of the Clergy must approve ?
How about gay rights ? The church teaches that homosexual problems can be overcome "through faith in God, sincere repentance, and persistent effort." or in plain English, "Pray Away the Gay". " Homosexual relations" is included on the church's list of "serious transgressions" that may result eventually in excommunication. The church supports the notion of a constitutional amendment in the USA to legally define marriage as being between a man and a woman. The church asked its members to participate in the campaign for Proposition 8 on the California ballot, which would define marriage between opposite-sex couples. The church asked its membership to donate time and money towards the initiative. This resulted in 80 to 90 percent of the early volunteers who walked door-to-door in election precincts and as much as half of the nearly $40 million raised.
Heck, let's ignore "the woman's role is to be the Mom" and "Pray Away the Gay", and let's just look at something as simple as what clothes you wear ...
At BYU (where Bishop Romney has donated a ton of money), there is an Honor Code ... including dress ... just recently a woman was hassled because her dress was inappropriate - "according to the university rules, her outfit is not Honor Code appropriate. It looks like it is a couple of inches above her knee. It doesn't matter if she's wearing leggings or tights."
The BYU Honor Code states ...
Women
A clean and well-cared-for appearance should be maintained. Clothing is inappropriate when it is sleeveless, strapless, backless, or revealing; has slits above the knee; or is form fitting. Dresses, skirts, and shorts must be knee length or longer. Hairstyles should be clean and neat, avoiding extremes in styles and colors. Excessive ear piercing (more than one per ear) and all other body piercing are not acceptable. Shoes should be worn in all public campus areas.
This is 2012 ... not 1950 ! ! ! ! !
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I looked at the article you cited ... and my reaction is to embrace the words used by Kathleen Sebelius on Friday at Georgetown saying, “[President] Kennedy talked about his vision of religion and the public square, and he said he believed in an America, and I quote, ‘where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against us all.’”
ReplyDelete“And here we are more than 50 years later and that conversation, about the intersection of our nation’s long tradition of religious freedom with policy decisions in the public square continues,” said Sebelius.
Sebelius told the students that to engage in debates, such as ones dealing with religion and public policy, will require them to follow their “own moral compass.”
“Contributing to these debates will require more than just the quantitative skills you’ve learned at Georgetown,” she said. “It will also require the ethical skills you have honed--the ability to weigh different views, to see issues from others points of view, and in the end, to be true to your own moral compass.”
Mitt Romney could have taken a stand against any of these issues ... but he has not ... his “moral compass” points to a Hardcore Conservativism in a Absolute Rightwing Religion.
Not for me ... but educate me ... why shouldn't Bishop Romney explain how his religious beliefs may influence policy ?