Mitt Romney has tried covertly to fund opposition to gays having equal rights.
He gave $10k to the National Organization for Marriage (well, marriage only for SOME people); one of our commenters, JOB, doesn't think that is supporting a position against gay adoption, but only gay marriage. The $10k was supposed to oppose prop 8 in California. Part of the campaign for Prop 8 was to demonize gays in the context of children.
In case you don't think that the National Organization for Marriage is against BOTH marriage euqality AND gay adoption, you should visit their website more often. NOM promotes the junk science, the crap pretending to be science of Glenn Stanton, of Focus on the Family. Stanton seems to have problems with distinguinshing between religion and science. Both the National Organization for Marriage and the Focus on the Family have teemed up to promote the lie that homosexuality is synonymous with pedophilia.
These sure sound to me like organizations that are trying their damnedest, not only to oppose homosexual parenting, but to obstruct it by demonizing homosexuals as parents, including lobbying to promote anti-gay adoption laws. While $10k may be what Mittens throws around for fun bets, like the one he proposed to Texas Governor Rick Perry, just because we only know of one such donation doesn't mean there haven't been other donations by Romney done in a ciruitous, secretive manner intended to deceive people about his positions on same-sex issues.
Romney has been caught lying, often. When there is evidence to the contrary, either direct or indirect, it is the height of gullibility to trust him on these issues to accord people fair and equal treatment. Rather it is more realistic to expect the same kind of antagonism towards people with the same sex orientation as conservatives in Virginia who
Now, to Mitt Romney
He gave $10k to the National Organization for Marriage (well, marriage only for SOME people); one of our commenters, JOB, doesn't think that is supporting a position against gay adoption, but only gay marriage. The $10k was supposed to oppose prop 8 in California. Part of the campaign for Prop 8 was to demonize gays in the context of children.
In case you don't think that the National Organization for Marriage is against BOTH marriage euqality AND gay adoption, you should visit their website more often. NOM promotes the junk science, the crap pretending to be science of Glenn Stanton, of Focus on the Family. Stanton seems to have problems with distinguinshing between religion and science. Both the National Organization for Marriage and the Focus on the Family have teemed up to promote the lie that homosexuality is synonymous with pedophilia.
These sure sound to me like organizations that are trying their damnedest, not only to oppose homosexual parenting, but to obstruct it by demonizing homosexuals as parents, including lobbying to promote anti-gay adoption laws. While $10k may be what Mittens throws around for fun bets, like the one he proposed to Texas Governor Rick Perry, just because we only know of one such donation doesn't mean there haven't been other donations by Romney done in a ciruitous, secretive manner intended to deceive people about his positions on same-sex issues.
Romney has been caught lying, often. When there is evidence to the contrary, either direct or indirect, it is the height of gullibility to trust him on these issues to accord people fair and equal treatment. Rather it is more realistic to expect the same kind of antagonism towards people with the same sex orientation as conservatives in Virginia who
Now, to Mitt Romney
"one of our commenters, JOB, doesn't think that is supporting a position against gay adoption, but only gay marriage."
ReplyDeleteTrue, in fact, I have a friend who is an officer with Chicago. An avid hunter and firm believer in 2nd Amendment rights. He donates money to the NRA every year along with his membership fees. However, he is for the assault weapon ban.
While you're at DG, maybe you could contact Politifact, because they are also under the impression that Romney is for State's rights, when it comes to Gay Adoption.
Mittens supports organizations that act against both gay marriage and gay adoption, by trying to change state laws so as to restrict BOTH.
ReplyDeleteMitt has funded restricting BOTH.
Mitt has made it clear that he believes in parents being exclusively heterosexual.
Romeny is in favor of states rights only so far as he can help prevent gay adoption at the state level.
So your statement is meaningless if you are using it to argue he isn't against taking away gay adoption.
States right has consistently been the tactic by which the right engages in their culture wars. In the bad old days before national civil rights acts, it was how the south engaged in segregation - claiming states rights, and opposing civil rights. It is how they engage in voter suppression, it is how they engage in other culture wars, notably abortion and fighting marriage equality. It has also been the strategy by which the right has denied gay discrimination protection in housing and employment.
If you believe otherwise, I suggest you look at what has been done to that effect on the state level by Mitt's political associates.
All he is saying is more power to them in doing those things.
If states rights is your argument that Romeny isn't actively against gay adoption, it's a failed one.
If you believe Romeny won't help states be discriminatory and restrictive against gays, in all aspects of their lives, you are sadly gullible.
If you want to claim Obama is a liar you need to find something else other than Romney will prevent gay adoption.
"But we found Romney has repeatedly expressed support for domestic partnership rights, on a state-by-state basis. The Obama campaign cited this "states’ rights" stance -- in which states would be empowered to allow or deny certain domestic partner benefits -- as evidence that Romney would deny the rights. But we find a flaw in that logic, because when Romney has argued that position, he has listed those rights in positive terms.
Delete"My preference again would be to have a national standard, with one standard for the nation. Now that doesn’t mean that same-sex couples can’t enter into domestic partnerships, and the benefits associated with domestic partnerships could be, developed from, by enterprise, by the state, by the federal government," he told the Ames (Iowa) Tribune editorial board in 2011. "So one could say for instance that in Iowa, a same-sex couple can come together, can adopt a child. And they can have hospital visitation rights and so forth. I mean you could decide what benefits, each state can decide the benefits associated with people who live in domestic partnerships."
In other words, Romney didn’t frame the issue in terms of rights the states could deny gay couples. He listed adoption and hospital visitation as rights that states could grant."
"If you want to claim Obama is a liar you need to find something else other than Romney will prevent gay adoption."
I don't think so Dog. I think you are just trying to deny the fact that Obama's claim is false. And that's fine, I could provide the link to the 56 False claims and the 6 outright lies told BY Obama, but what's the point? You said that you realize that ALL politicians lie, you just think Romney lies more than most. But according to Politifact, it is actually Obama who has told a few more tales.
Mitt Romney reverses himself almost with every breath; Ryan isn't proving to be any better.
ReplyDeleteWhenever there is a contradiction between statements from Romney or Ryan, the reliable answer is where he puts money.
That is not in favor of hospital visits or gay adoption.
This is the guy who was responsible for romneycare who now rejects it completely. He will do what is expedient; it is unlikely that gay adoption is going to be expedient or desirable for Mitt Romney given he has been moving further and further right rather than towards center or moderate.
There are things I don't like about Obama; but this isn't one I'd fault him for; he's pegged Romney pretty darn accurately while Romney has lied more than any other candidate in my memory.
"This is the guy who was responsible for romneycare who now rejects it completely. He will do what is expedient; it is unlikely that gay adoption is going to be expedient or desirable for Mitt Romney given he has been moving further and further right rather than towards center or moderate."
ReplyDelete1st- Wasn't/isn't Romney's biggest bitch, that Obamacare takes away rights from the state.
2nd- I think Romney is to moderate for the current GOP liking. That's why he picked Ryan.
I don't fault Obama for his LIE either, all these politicians do it. they all lie, in order to gain what they are looking for. The exact question was, show me where Obama lied. I did. Now just to change it up, what is one of Romney's lies?
JOB, I don't think you have shown a lie by Obama regarding gay adoption, given Romney funded changing a state law so that it would have ended gay adoption and gay marriage equality.
ReplyDeleteBut here's a lie of Romney's which was just identified here - that Obama gutted work requirements for welfare. He didn't; he granted waivers, including one pursued by Mitt Romney himself, for state experimentation with programs that required a 20% GREATER number of people being put to work, not less stringent work requirements.
See the Herman Cain post.
Obamacare doesn't take away rights from the states.
And let me throw out one for Ryan as well - his comments about Obama having reniged on his campaign promise to the Jaynesville auto plant.
I also addressed that Ryan lie here; the Obama administration DID try, in conjunction with Ryan himself and Tammy Baldwin, to retool that plant. It is not currently in operatoin, but technically it is not closed either, but put on stand by. Because it was one of three plants that GM did well enough to plan to reopen, making hybrids, GM refused to allow the plant to retool. However the Obama administration did everything in their power to retool that plant in terms of what they made available and working with both the state and local areas. It is instead the 3rd GM plant of 3 that is set to go back into production as a result of the auto industry bailout that put GM back into being competitive, saved quality American manufacturing jobs which pay well. Ryan, because of his cooperation in trying to retool that plant personally KNOWS he is lying about Obama.
Or would you rather Obama have nationalized the plant, taking it away from private ownership, in order to force a corporation not to reopen? Because that is the real choice here - try to work with industry or not try to work with them. To nationalize would have been real socilism, not what Obama's actually done.
Hey Joe! I'll be happy to answer your question about the watch list. It is not online, but there are ways to find out if you are on it.
ReplyDeleteIf you do find out you're on it, the way to get off of it is to contact the agency that put you on it.
So ---- since you're back reading, and have the time to goo-search terrorist watch lists, do you have time to answer the simple question "Do you know who comprised the "Old Right", and when and how it changed over to the "New Right" in conservative politics?
It's not hard; it's a simple yes or no answer Joe. Doesn't even require googling.