The Aryan brotherood has tried to coopt a lot of symbols that are not really theirs, including especially a lot of Celtic imagery, like Celtic crosses and celtic knotwork.
I would argue to you that those images are no more legitimately theirs than any other western European symbol other than those of the neo-Nazis.
You could argue that DG. But I was just stating a fact. The AB adopted such symbols not as their's. But as symbols of white purity. As was the case in 18th and 19th Century Ireland, and possibly Scandinavia as well. In prison it is held in serious regards. Inmates who have a shamrock tattoo who have not pursued membership into the brotherhood usually have their tattoos removed. Harshly. Does any of it make sense? Of course not, especially considering that one of the founders of the Brotherhood was a Jew himself. I just got a kick out of your post, and felt to add a little. After all, as you stated in another post, Patrick was not even Irish. But since I am Irish and Scottish, I guess I get the best of both worlds. LOLOL I find it fascinating how the White Supremacists take Northern European symbols and make them there own. The four leave clover. Doesn't bother me too much. After all, we can all use a little luck from time to time... ;-)
I think this is one of those cases of 'get off my side'.
While the AB and other white supremacist groups may want to adopt these images, I think those to whom they more broadly belong sincerely want nothing to do with these thugs in the context of sharing their Celtic heritage. The AB disgraces that heritage, and it certainly is no part of what is celebrated today.
But then, a lot of pseudo-Celtic celebrating goes on today as well.
Darn - I missed my chance yesterday to do a St. Urho post.....an ersatz Finnish Saint who drove the plague of grasshoppers out of Finland to save the grape crop (no, Finland hasn't had any such saint - or grape crop, it's all done in good humor).
"While the AB and other white supremacist groups may want to adopt these images, I think those to whom they more broadly belong sincerely want nothing to do with these thugs in the context of sharing their Celtic heritage. The AB disgraces that heritage, and it certainly is no part of what is celebrated today."
Truer words were never spoken. Happy St. Paddy's Day DG.
The swastika used by the Nazis was also co-opted from older symbology used by a number of religions. So, the favorite totem of Adolf Hitler and the rest of the "supermen" turns out to have been stolen from the brown people. Not a surprise.
Shamrocks, also symbolic of the Aryan Brotherhood.
ReplyDeleteThe Aryan brotherood has tried to coopt a lot of symbols that are not really theirs, including especially a lot of Celtic imagery, like Celtic crosses and celtic knotwork.
ReplyDeleteI would argue to you that those images are no more legitimately theirs than any other western European symbol other than those of the neo-Nazis.
You could argue that DG. But I was just stating a fact. The AB adopted such symbols not as their's. But as symbols of white purity. As was the case in 18th and 19th Century Ireland, and possibly Scandinavia as well. In prison it is held in serious regards. Inmates who have a shamrock tattoo who have not pursued membership into the brotherhood usually have their tattoos removed. Harshly. Does any of it make sense? Of course not, especially considering that one of the founders of the Brotherhood was a Jew himself.
ReplyDeleteI just got a kick out of your post, and felt to add a little. After all, as you stated in another post, Patrick was not even Irish. But since I am Irish and Scottish, I guess I get the best of both worlds. LOLOL
I find it fascinating how the White Supremacists take Northern European symbols and make them there own. The four leave clover. Doesn't bother me too much. After all, we can all use a little luck from time to time... ;-)
Thanks for the comments JOB.
ReplyDeleteI think this is one of those cases of 'get off my side'.
While the AB and other white supremacist groups may want to adopt these images, I think those to whom they more broadly belong sincerely want nothing to do with these thugs in the context of sharing their Celtic heritage. The AB disgraces that heritage, and it certainly is no part of what is celebrated today.
But then, a lot of pseudo-Celtic celebrating goes on today as well.
Darn - I missed my chance yesterday to do a St. Urho post.....an ersatz Finnish Saint who drove the plague of grasshoppers out of Finland to save the grape crop (no, Finland hasn't had any such saint - or grape crop, it's all done in good humor).
"While the AB and other white supremacist groups may want to adopt these images, I think those to whom they more broadly belong sincerely want nothing to do with these thugs in the context of sharing their Celtic heritage. The AB disgraces that heritage, and it certainly is no part of what is celebrated today."
DeleteTruer words were never spoken. Happy St. Paddy's Day DG.
The swastika used by the Nazis was also co-opted from older symbology used by a number of religions. So, the favorite totem of Adolf Hitler and the rest of the "supermen" turns out to have been stolen from the brown people. Not a surprise.
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