cross-posted from MNPR:
|The smiling face of a male fat head minnow|
NOT affected by the federal shut down.
MADDOW: If you fish, if you`re a person who enjoys fishing, as I do,
you might be familiar with this tiny little guy. This is a fat head
If you are fishing for bass and you`re going to the bait shop, and you
are buying minnows, if you are lucky, you are probably getting this guy or
somebody he is related to. And yes, that is sad for him. But I come for
myself by telling myself that bait somehow does not know it is bait. I
realize I`m fooling myself.
Fat head minnows live all over North America. They are used as bait a
lot. People stock them as food fish, for the bigger fish that they want to
fish for in their lakes and ponds.
Fat head minnows are also used to help us figure out if our water is
In this building in Duluth, Minnesota, the Environmental Protection
Agency grows fat head minnows, we`re minnow ranchers, you and I. We grow
these little guys by the thankful, and the EPA uses them in testing about
whether there are toxic elements in the air and in the water. They are
specifically helpful apparently in helping sniff out toxic elements that
affect the endocrine system.
The EPA has been doing this kind of testing for a long time. They
have even this sort of awesome training videos that teach their employees
how to do it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NARRATOR: The fat head minnow is used in toxicity tests at various
life stages. This video presents method developed over the last twenty
years at the EPA`s mid-continent ecology division in Duluth, Minnesota.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: You know, 2009 does not sound like it was all that long ago
until you see a training video made in 2009, and it feels like, where is
Anyway, this 20 years worth of fat head minnow work at the EPA has
been kind of a low key thing. It`s not really been the subject of
headlines, until it started getting a few now. With the government
shutdown becoming more and more likely with each passing hour, the EPA and
several other government agencies, it had to make very granular decisions
about which daily functions of their part of the federal government they`re
going to keep doing.
It may seem like a small point in the grand scheme of shutting down
the largest government on earth. But honestly, a decision has to be made,
right, if the government shuts down, and people who work for the agencies
stay home and all the discretionary funding for everything does shuts off
like a tap, what happens to the minnows? Those minnows in Duluth may or
may not be enthralled with John Boehner and political arguments about
whether or not to shut down the government. But if John Boehner decides to
shut down the government, the minnows don`t have to eat.
It turns out the decision has been made, the minnows will be spared in
the shutdown. The EPA has found a way to keep at least someone on the job
in Duluth to not let all the fish die even if the government shuts down.
The rest of the EPA, though, pretty much will have to close.
The EPA administrator, Gina McCarthy, said this week that a government
would effectively close the agency`s doors. The government doesn`t
automatically shutter every agency. You know, troops don`t necessarily get
recalled from their forward-operating bases or anything.
But the parts of the budget that are discretionary, like say the EPA,
those parts get hit the hardest. Without a budget deal to keep the
government open, the EPA, like many other agencies is not going to be able
to pay its employees. In the case of the EPA, that`s about 17,000 people.
So, the vast majority of those people will be sent home while their work
doesn`t get done.
And if you believe that the EPA ought to exist, you probably think
there is never a good time to shut it down. But even if you don`t usually
kind thoughts about the EPA, maybe this seems like a particularly bad time
for this particular agency to shut down.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: More spills emerging from a Colorado oil patch
ravaged by flooding.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have learned of three additional oil spills
today, bringing the gallons spilled into the floodwaters to more that
34,000. That`s about 800 barrels. The state is tracking 11, quote-
unquote, “notable spills”.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: State officials say most of the oil is coming
from notable releases from the South Platte River. During the flood, 1,900
oil and gas wells were shut down in Northern Colorado, about a third has
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: Massive flooding that ravaged parts of the state of Colorado
last week happened to hit that part of the state that have been
experiencing an oil and gas boom in the last few years. There are 20,000
active oil and gas wells in that parts of Colorado that were hardest hit by
Now, one of the many challenges facing lawmakers and residents in
Colorado is they start rebuilding is how to make sure their drinking water
is safe, how to make sure that those 11 notable oil spills leaking into
the flood waters are not going to make people sick, and not just now, but
in an ongoing way.
The EPA is one agency in Colorado trying to figure it out. A local
environmental activist in Colorado said yesterday, quote, “We have serious
concerns that because the state has so few inspectors and regulators, the
oil industry is out there self-policing. We need EPA to step in and make
sure the public and the environment are protected.”
We need the EPA to step in and make sure the public is protected.
That is just one environmental disaster in one state that makes you
feel like maybe it is a bad time for the EPA to have to pull down the
shutters and go home indefinitely. But even with the threat of shutdown
getting closer and closer, even with the hard decisions that that details,
everything from those federally owned live minnows in Duluth, and to the
dig out from the floods in Colorado, even with that bearing down on us in
general, and the EPA in particular, that agency is also in the middle of
making some of the highest high profile decisions in the past few years.
Just past week, the EPA made an announcement that people who believe
in science have been waiting for, for a long time. Ever since President
Obama elected and specifically ever since he promised in his State of the
Union addressed this year that he would act alone on climate change, even
if Congress would not act.
The EPA has just announced the first-ever regulation that limited how
much carbon pollution, power plants, can be belched into the air. And they
are tough new standards telling power plants to adhere to a lower level of
pollution than even the most efficient plants have achieve today.
But the new rules only apply to plants that don`t exist, plants that
are not built yet. The 6,500 power plants that are already operating in
the United States right now are not affected by the new rule at all.
So how much of a difference is this new rule going to make anyway?
When President Obama gave his big climate speech back in June of this
year, he vowed that his administration would enforce tough new standards on
all power plants, on new and existing power plants. He vowed that the old
ones wouldn`t just be grandfathered in, so they can continue to pollute as
much as they want, since after all, they pollute the most.
The rules for plants that do not exist are the new rules that are out
now. The rules for the thousands of plants that do exist, for those we`re
supposed to wait another year at least.
Why do we have to wait? If President Obama and the EPA are able to do
this without needing to seek the approval of the climate change denialist
caucus in Congress, why not just go all the way? Why not do it now?
Joining us now for the interview is our nation`s administrator of the
Environmental Protection Agency, Gina McCarthy.
It`s very nice to have you here. Thank you so much for being here.