Showing posts with label Crime. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Crime. Show all posts

Friday, August 14, 2026

HE'S GUILTY

The trial is ending with an admission. 


 Live with it.

Especially since you wasted your money on his defence:

This is what Karen Agnifilo Friedman had to say about him on the Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees That was aired December 10, 2024 - 20:00 ET  https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/acd/date/2024-12-10/segment/01:

And I agree with much of what everybody is saying. But I think one thing I just want to point out is it looks to me like this -- there might be a not guilty by reason of insanity defense that they're going to be thinking about, because the evidence is going to be so overwhelming that he did what he did.  

Your energy would have been better spend trying to change the system through legal means: not violence. 

Wednesday, October 22, 2025

AI is denying your healthcare (and it's getting worse)

More on why I think that Luigi Mangione is a total dickbrain. I mean he's supposed to be this tech genius, but he missed that it's Artificial Intelligence that is causing health care to deny claims. Lots more on this topic, but things would be vastly different if he had gone the AI route rather than blaming a human who was doing a job.

A new, far more evil set of players come up.

But they are harder to hit: especially if he's working solo. 

Saturday, September 13, 2025

America's Downward Spiral With Political Violence

What the supporters of "gun rights" fail to comprehend, despite their saying guns are "inanimate objects" is that "inanimate objects" can be turned against them. 

It's also poor policy to allow your opponents to be well armed.

Unfortunately, the concept of "gun rights" has allowed for the US to have way too many guns in the hands of the wrong people.

London Broadcasting Corporation's James O'Brien asks, 'Why are Charlie Kirk's words suddenly off limits?' Especially since Kirk did say about gun deaths on April 5, 2023, "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

 

The best sentence I've read on this subject is: "I don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk, but he did."

How can you condemn me if Kirk said, "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

If it's wrong to quote Charlie Kirk's words then it probably was wrong for Charlie Kirk to make those comments in the first place.  

Anyway, here's Tim Black for a final comment:

Wednesday, September 10, 2025

When we hang the capitalists, they will have sold us the rope

Charlie Kirk is the product of misrepresenting the Second Amendment to make it anything other than a declaration that the militia, that is the non-professional, part time defence force, should be protected.

The text says nothing of personal uses, in particular self-defence. In fact, the constitution makes it clear it only addresses the common defence (preamble: "provide for the common defence").

The phrase "self-defence" is absent from the text. 

Expressio unius est exclusio alterius

Anyone who wants to change the meaning of this, or wishes to imply that it applies to anything other than the common defence should be precluded from the practise of law.

In fact, the founders could have just said "fuck it, we screwed up" given what a mess they made with the war of  independence.

They didn't: they wrote a POS called the US Constitution.

Which includes something which was so insane as to be counter to their intent of "securing the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." 

I hope Scalia is burning in hell for his trashing of the law and the other Justices need to admit that they massively fucked up with Heller-McDonald and their progeny.

It's about the common defence,

Not a personal right. 

And show me where in the US Constituion it mentions a personal right to weapons, especially for self-defence, if you think I am wrong, or don't know what I am talking about. 

But, you can't do that because the text is silent on that topic.

Note: I added the photo since Charlie Kirk said gun deaths were 'worth it' to keep Second Amendment. I am not cheering his death, but this is an important point to add to this statement since his advocacy for this nonsense definitely contributed to his death. If it's wrong to quote Charlie Kirk's words then it probably was wrong for Charlie Kirk to make those comments in the first place.

"I don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk, but he did." 

Monday, June 16, 2025

The Alarming Rise of Political Violence in America

I wanted to come up with something about the targeted assassinations in Minnesota, which is where my two co-bloggers were located. It needs to be tied into what Luigi Mangione did and why that is not acceptable, even if you agree with his message. It's interesting that the act of political violence against politicians happened in Minnesota, even if that is only coincidental. On the other hand, political violence is a very disturbing trend. I agree with this commentator that it doesn't bode well for a country.

Armed mobs are more of a recipe for repression than freedom.

Sunday, June 8, 2025

Stop defending Mangione...

This is what Karen Agnifilo Friedman had to say about him on the Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees That was aired December 10, 2024 - 20:00 ET  https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/acd/date/2024-12-10/segment/01:


His lawyer's exact words from this:
And I agree with much of what everybody is saying. But I think one thing I just want to point out is it looks to me like this -- there might be a not guilty by reason of insanity defense that they're going to be thinking about, because the evidence is going to be so overwhelming that he did what he did. 
This is truly an open and shut case.

But, to quote H.L. Mencken:
"No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. The mistake that is made always runs the other way. Because the plain people are able to speak and understand, and even, in many cases, to read and write, it is assumed that they have ideas in their heads, and an appetite for more. This assumption is a folly."

It never fails to amaze me the people who support Mangione. 

Saturday, June 7, 2025

Leopold, Loeb, and Luigi

Now that Mangione's handwritten confession, which it pretty much is, is out there, we see him talking about "normies". I've already described him as a 21st century Leopold and Loeb. A smart, rich kid who thought he could commit a the perfect crime and get away with it. Unlike Leopold and Loeb who tried to commit the perfect crime, this guy was a total bozo. He was way too obvious and didn't cover his tracks.

The notebook is basically Mangione talking about his preparation for the murder. I have to admit that it has me thinking about Leopold and Loeb who  thought they were clever enough to get away with murder, and they spent months plotting out what they considered to be a foolproof scheme. Mangione talks about Ted  Kaczynski, the unabomber. He also talks about how he failed because the "normies" thought he was a monster. But what is a "normie"? Someone who is normal? Which is another thing which makes me think of Leopold and Loeb:

Leopold was interested in psychology, particularly the concept of Übermenschen (“supermen”) put forth by German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche. Nietzsche suggested that there were certain members of society with superior intellect who were able to rise above the laws that were meant for ordinary people.

Soon, Leopold became convinced that he was one of these supermen and, as such, was not bound by the laws or ethics of society. Eventually, he convinced Loeb that he was one, too.

They thought they were immune from society's laws, and to prove that, they would commit the perfect


crime:
At the end of 1923, Leopold and Loeb started planning their “perfect crime.” They decided murder would garner the most attention, so they began plotting how they would get away with it. They chose a weapon, decided how they would dispose of the body, and drafted a ransom note. All they needed was a victim.

 Mangione is looking for a victim who won't be sympathetic so he can "finally feel confident about what I will do. The details are coming together. And I don't feel any doubt about whether it's right/justified," He picked his victim because he worked in the insurance industry: "The target is insurance. It checks every box." Even sicker is that he decided he should instead "wack [sic] the CEO" at the conference because it doesn't "risk innocents."

He may have book smarts, but he sure as fcuk lacks knowse. There were several bystanders and his homemade gun put them in danger of being shot. He also seems unaware that terrorism isn't about the amount or extent of the victims or damage, but is very much a crime of intent. He wrote himself into a death penalty. Toss in that most jurisdictions enhance extrajudicial killing if they show intent. And His confession is more than enough proof.

He should have stuck to gaming since reality isn't his strong point.

There is a big difference between Leopold and Loeb and Luigi as he is now.  Leopold commented on his and Loeb’s “perfect crime" in his autobiography:

“Looking back from the vantage point of today, I cannot understand how my mind worked then. For I can recall no feeling then of remorse. Remorse did not come until later, much later. It did not begin to develop until I had been in prison for several years; it did not reach its full flood for perhaps 10 years. Since then, for the past quarter century, remorse has been my constant companion. It is never out of my mind. Sometimes it overwhelms me completely, to the extent that I cannot think of anything else.”

Also, Leopold and Loeb plead guilty, their process was a sentencing hearing. Mangione isn't willing to admit he was caught.  I think his arrogance is clouding his judgement.

Anyway, these are just my observations from what I have seen of both cases. And like Leopold and Loeb, Luigi is going to go away. But I don't think he is going to escape the death penalty unless he pleads out, but his ego won't allow him to plead out.

And a jury nullifier might cause a mistrial, but that will only delay the inevitable that Luigi will never see freedom. I also wonder how many of these lovestruck people would want a homicidal stalker loose on the world?

Wednesday, May 14, 2025

Politics and appearance: Mangione's supporters explained

OK, the US political system is broken. I doubt it was ever functional from 1759 onward. Benjamin Franklin suggested a plan for unifying the thirteen colonies the Albany Congress on July 10, 1754 in Albany, New York. The Albany Plan of Union was rejected. Franklin wrote about the rejection of his proposals: "The colonial assemblies and most of the people were narrowly provincial in outlook, mutually jealous, and suspicious of any central taxing authority."

Joseph Galloway suggested a similar proposal at the First Continental Congress of 1774 but was also rejected. The Articles of Confederation were proposed at the Second Continental Congress and finally accepted in 1781! Of course, the Articles of Confederation were a failure, and its replacement is nearly as bad.

Anyway, the US has had a culture of violence and disunity from the start.


I'm sorry the founders didn't just admit they messed up.

Saturday, April 26, 2025

Is Luigi Mangione a vigilante or a terrorist?

 Ok, I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. In fact, they tend to overlap.

I need to set up some definitions. I will define vigilantism as "collective coercive practices undertaken by non-state actors in order to enforce norms (social or judicial) and/or to take the law in their own hands". 

British criminologist Les Johnston suggests several criteria for defining vigilantism in his article What is Vigilantism?:

it involves planning and premeditation by those engaging in it; its participants are private citizens whose engagement is voluntary; it is a form of autonomous citizenship and, as such, constitutes a social movement; it uses or threatens the use of force; it arises when an established order is under threat from the transgression, the potential transgression, or the imputed transgression of institutionalized norms; it aims to control crime or other social infractions by offering assurances (or ‘guarantees’) of security both to participants and to others.

The punisments meted out by vigilantes can be quite spectacular and symbolic: vigilantes cannot arrest all criminals but can make punishment into a symbol to frighten others. Sanctioning often takes the form of physical punishment, public humiliation or, more rarely, execution. These sanctions are an attempt to control by exemplary punishment. So, the use of lynching is an example of both vigilantism and terrorism.

Terrorism  is "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."

What we have is the common factor of violence used to enforce, or create, a norm. Extra-legal or extra-Constitutional use of threats, or physical and psychological violence to punish, or to cause, incite or stoke fear and hate are common to both vigilantism and terrorism.  I would say that it's sometimes hard to distinguish between the two since they share the characteristics of (1) use of force (2) for a political purpose. 

Some might want to say that vigilantism is supposed to enforce the "law", or at least the established order. On the other hand, it is a non-governmental actor using force most of the time in violation of the law. To go back to the lynching example: the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) targeted African-Americans as well as Jews, immigrants, leftists, homosexuals, Catholics, Muslims, and atheists. The KKK used physical assault and lynching, against politically active blacks and their allies, even if the latter were whites. This was all done in opposition to the civil rights movement.

As I said, there is not a clear line between vigilantism and terrorism: both use violence for a political purpose.

Tuesday, April 22, 2025

OK, Luigi Mangione supporters!

 Yeah, I want to see him convicted.

And for some very good reasons, which I am going to try to explain for your sick minds.

Let's start off with what Brian Thompson did was NOT ILLEGAL! Yeah, no law against it. You might have been able to sue him, but you couldn't send him to prison for his business decisions regarding healthcare coverage, but being unethical doesn't make it illegal. The revolting nature of the business decisions of Brian Thompson and UnitedHealthcare, its cruelty, much though we may deplore it, is not a legal basis for murder. And if you have issues with what Thompson did there are methods in the system for you to change it.

But you are a bunch of lazy fucks who aren't going to do the serious work needed to change the system. I am trying, but I am on my own.
And you're not helping!

Next, murder IS ILLEGAL. Toss in that just because you don't like something doesn't give you the right to kill outside the law. You are just as bad as the anti-abortion activists who have no problem with killing abortion providers.

And where will it take us if you want to have the fucked up belief that killing someone outside the law is in any way justified? The pictures are of Alan Berg. He had outspoken atheistic and liberal views along with a confrontational interview style. He was known for upsetting some callers to the point they began sputtering, whereupon he would berate them.

Clarissa Pinkola Estés of the Moderate Voice website wrote in 2007: "He didn't pick on the poor, the frail, the undefended: He chose Roderick Elliot and Frank "Bud" Farell, who wrote The Death of the White Race and Open Letter to the Gentiles, and other people from the white supremacist groups... the groups who openly espoused hatred of blacks, Jews, leftists, homosexuals, Hispanics, other minorities and religious groups".

Berg was assassinated by members of the white supremacist group The Order, which believed in killing all Jews and sending all black people to Africa.

As I have pointed out before, your support for Mangione takes you into extreme right wing territory. Toss in that you don't help your cause because you make it plain that Mangione's actions WERE political, which puts him square into the defintion of being a terrorist.

Some people don't get that it isn't how many people you kill that makes you a terrorist, but your reason for killing the people.  If Alan Berg had been killed by someone he pissed off, that wouldn't be terrorism. But the fact that he was killed by the Order because of his beliefs: that he "was mainly thought to be anti-white and he was Jewish."

Let's go to the definition of Lynching:

Lynching is an extrajudicial killing by a group. It is most often used to characterize informal public executions by a mob in order to punish an alleged or convicted transgressor or to intimidate others. It can also be an extreme form of informal group social control, and it is often conducted with the display of a public spectacle for maximum intimidation.

Of course, Emmet Till wasn't lynched by a mob. So, a lynching can also be used to mean an act of violence used to intimidate. And it wasn't just blacks who were lynched. I would suggest looking up Wiley Brownlee.

But, an act of violence done for political reasons fits the description of terrorism: whether you like it or not.

So, is this something you really want to be associated with: especially when Mangione's confession.

Er, "manifesto" is made public? I don't think you will want your internet history coming out when you find out what an arrogant little psycho Mangione happens to be. You may be smart, but you are the epitome of ignorance if you are supporting him.

I would like to think that the light turned on in your head if you read this, but probably not.

After all, do you want to live in a world where people get away with murder?


Monday, April 7, 2025

to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or to affect the conduct of a government by assassination

Let's start with defintion:
The Federal Bureau of Investigation uses a definition of terrorism that tracks with the Patriot Act. “Terrorism” encompasses “acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law” and “appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping.” It distinguishes between international terrorism (acts occurring abroad) and domestic terrorism, which occurs primarily within the U.S.

I'm going to focus on (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. This is because terrorism requires an intent. Just killing people to kill people doesn't cut it no matter how many people get killed.

On the other hand, we are given a handwritten confession which states an intent:

"Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

Let's toss in that he shouted  "It's completely out of touch! It's an insult to the intelligence of the American people!" as he was being escorted into court. Which in my opinion caused him to waive any recourse to Miranda.

I know that he has shown an interest in the Unabomber. There are some other things I have heard mentioned about his possible intent, but I'm not going to bother with that stuff. First off, it's pretty much superfluous given the basic evidence out there (e.g., handwritten confession, possession of the murder weapon, possession of the ID, DNA and fingerprint evidence, etc.).  He's put enough out there to at least put him away for life.

 Mangione's actions and intent place definitely, show that he wanted to influence, or effect, the conduct of government through at least one act of violence. 

I would add that Mangione's supporters are his own worst enemies. Its too bad that insurance will not pay for a procedure to remove their heads from the assess.

As someone who has wanted to see healthcare reform in the US for a long time, I am disgusted by the actions of the people who are willing to lionise a person with a serious personality disorder.

The far better course of action would be to use the system to get healthcare reform.

While I would love to see Manione executed, that is the wrong course of action. It would be far better for him to be exposed for what he is (not someone to be idolised). And then stick him away where he may live out his life.

Or another inmate may terminate his life.

Saturday, April 5, 2025

Jury Nullification and the Rule of Law

 Let's start with a definition:

The rule of law is a principle under which all persons, institutions, and entities are accountable to laws that are:

  • Publicly promulgated
  • Equally enforced (i.e., no person is above the law)
  • Independently adjudicated
  • And consistent with international human rights principles.

I was going to start this by asking what the Cato Institute and the Climate Defence Project have in common? Why Jury Nullification, of course. But the fact that these two groups that are fundamentally opposed, or should be, agree on this should bring someone to pause on this topic.

The proponents will say that it's not illegal, which isn't really true. It is hard to enforce in the US system because of the US Constitution and its guarantees of right to trial by jury, no double jeopardy, and probably a few other things that demonstrate what a piece of shit blotter it is compared to France's Déclaration des Droits de l'Homme et du Citoyen de 1789, but the latter is much more of a bill of rights than a constitution. The Déclaration defines the relationship between the citizen and the state, which is why France has gone through five republics, a couple of Empires, and a Monarchy or two with it still around.

I don't have much hope for the US Constitution lasting much longer the way things are going.

But I digress to return to a concept which is well suited for the lynch mob than a society which claims to be based upon laws. The strongest argument against nullification points to the core principle of our judicial system: We are a nation of laws, not individuals. Elected officials create the law. They can be replaced with ones who legislate more in lines with popular opinion if they don't. Allowing juries to bypass this system has resulted in more miscarriages of justice than triumphs. In addition, we ask jurors to take an oath to judge based upon the facts; how is embracing nullification consistent with this promise?

Or as Mark Pulliam asks:

What do nineteenth-century anarchist Lysander Spooner,[1] the O. J. legal defense team, some elements of the militia movement,[2] the Los Angeles juries that failed to convict the Menendez brothers of murdering their parents and that acquitted the brutal assailants of Reginald Denny, and the activists who promote the idea of “fully informed juries”[3] have in common?

I would toss in lynch mobs for good measure. Emmett Till is an excellent example of jury nullification in action: two guilty men get away with murder and confess to it afterward.

Jurors are supposed to play an important but limited function: to sift through the evidence (especially conflicting testimony) and apply their factual findings to the relevant legal rules, which are determined elsewhere. Jurors are not lawmakers.

Jury nullification in practise:
The Jury in the Emmett Till Case

Bad things happen when juries step out of that limited role and decide to act as a “conscience of the community”, or some other bizarre concept of "Justice". In the Jim Crow South, all-white juries frequently acquitted defendants accused of lynching blacks and other heinous crimes, not because the evidence was weak, but out of sympathy for, or in solidarity with, the defendant. Conversely, in the O.J. Simpson case, the predominately African American jury arguably engaged in nullification in 1995 when it acquitted Simpson of murdering his ex-wife, Nicole, and her friend, Ron Goldman, despite what most observers felt was overwhelming evidence of Simpson’s guilt. More recently, many Americans were outraged when a San Francisco jury—possibly motivated by nullification—acquitted Kate Steinle’s killer. There are many other examples, such as George Zimmerman, that come to mind.

After all, what is a jury acting outside of the law but a 12-person mob, modern-day vigilantes?  The supporters of Luigi Mangione claim they want him to have a fair trial, yet they ignore that someone was killed without due process. They look up jury nullification in the hope that Mangione will be like Roy Bryant and J.W. Milam. They ignore the handwritten confession, which is more innocently called a "manifesto".

Civil disobedience is a grave misconception in the context of a seated juror refusing to follow the law. Civil disobedience is resistance to unjust government action as a last resort. That is when disobedience is the only alternative to becoming a participant in an objectionable act. This will never be the case with a seated juror. A potential juror who objected to service could refuse to report to court or serve on a jury. A person with a moral objection to enforcing a particular law (say, punishing a defendant charged with private drug use or blockading abortion clinics) should disclose that objection during voir dire and be excused from serving in the case.

But, after a juror has reported for service, been screened through voir dire, been seated and sworn to follow the law according to the instructions of the court, there is no room for “civil disobedience.” A juror reneging on his oath is acting outside the legal rules. A renegade juror cheats the parties to the case out of their right to have the matter decided according to the law, on the basis of which the evidence and arguments have been presented.

Although the "jury-power " activists point to historical events where juries refused to enforce laws that they considered unconscionable, there is no assurance that a jury operating outside the law would only acquit in a criminal case; it could just as easily “nullify” the instructions by convicting a person who was technically innocent. Jury nullification strips the individuals who comprise society of their right to have the laws enforced. Nothing could be more tyrannical or despotic than the arbitrary decision of a juror, or jury that has refused to follow their legal obligation.

 The rule of law is essential to the preservation of liberty. Friedrich Hayek, perhaps this century’s pre-eminent theorist of libertarianism, the political philosophy of freedom, believed that the defining characteristic of a free society is the rule of law, meaning legal rules stated in advance, uniformly applied, without excessive discretion. In Hayek’s words: “[W]hen we obey laws, in the sense of general abstract rules laid down irrespective of their application to us, we are not subject to another man’s will and are therefore free.” Thus, it is the universal, non-selective nature of law that allows us to be free. In Hayek’s view, it is precisely because judges and juries cannot pick and choose what laws to enforce in a particular case “that it can be said that laws and not men rule.”

A lawless juror is no more heroic than a rogue policeman violating the law or a politician accepting a bribe. If a juror (or any other member of the political community) feels that a particular law is unjust—and in a society as large and diverse as ours, we can assume that someone, somewhere, feels that every law on the books is unjust—the remedy is to petition the legislature for reform, not to infiltrate the jury and then ignore the law.

Luigi Mangione and his supporters are dangerous to society, and counterproductive to the issue of health care reform. I wonder how much further we would be toward healthcare reform is they had used the system, rather than act as vigilantes.  They should be working to change the law, not capriciously applying it.

Luigi Mangione will be tried based upon the evidence. I hope the jurors are willing to properly apply the facts to the law.

Otherwise, the US system of justice is best exemplified by the trial of Emmett Till's assassins.

See also:
Mark Pulliam, Nullifying the Rule of Law

__ ___, Jury Nullification, good or bad? 

English text of the Déclaration des Droits de l'Homme et du Citoyen de 1789

Friday, March 28, 2025

That's not a laptop in this briefcase--More Mangione

Part of me would think that the powers that be would want to see firearms more strictly regulated after this event.

On the other hand, the MP5, in particular the SP5 or any other variant without a stock, is considered a pistol (as in MachinePistol 5). That means one can carry it concealed! 

And what better way to do that than in a briefcase, which is perfect for CEO personal protection!

From HKParts
There are also holster/harnesses for the 5K. M&L Custom Shop makes them.

Both of these are designed for the professional where concealment and quick deployment of weapon is essential.  So, this isn't going to be something a CEO will be carrying, but the well cared for CEO should have a protection detail in the current political climate.

Of course, if the average civvy wants to tote around an MP5K/SP5K, then there are a few options out there. A few companies make discrete subgun cases which can pass for a laptop/brief case. Not as quck to use as the H&K briefcase, but definitely a way to carry the gun and not get a lot of attention.

Although, I am not sure I would want to carry one of the briefcases around without a fair amount of range time with it. Toss in that it isn't as convenient as it appears at first.

Still, the thought that CEO personal protection can take out a threat is worth considering.

Thompson could have used a PA like leaspeed6 that morning!

Tuesday, March 25, 2025

Don't get your hopes up about Luigi Mangione's defence.

Funny, but this comment has gotten lost in the shuffle. On the other hand, it doesn't look too good for KFA to be expending all this energy on a client with "overwhelming evidence" against him. She would be working on mitigations if she was a barrister in the UK. Septics are a little more liberal in allowing BS in the court system.

 Karen Friedman Agnifilo, may have been providing some insight into her legal strategy when she said, "the evidence is going to be so overwhelming" that an insanity defense is on the table.

 So, of course, she's going to be filing every motion imaginable and hoping not to piss off the court. Some Judges don't take kindly to attorneys who waste the court's time on defendants the attorney KNOWS happens to be guilty.

But, why should KFA give a rat's ass?  She's got the go fund me cash and it's her's even if Mangione does plead out to get the needle.

Think I'm BS'ing you? This clip has it straight from the horse's mouth. Start at around 45 seconds in for an eye opener.


And I agree with much of what everybody is saying. But I think one thing I just want to point out is it looks to me like this -- there might be a not guilty by reason of insanity defense that they're going to be thinking about, because the evidence is going to be so overwhelming that he did what he did.
Karen Agnifilo Friedman, Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees, Aired December 10, 2024 - 20:00   ET  https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/acd/date/2024-12-10/segment/01

Cut the BS--Mangione is going to trial with all the evidence being legally obtained.

 OK, My legal qualifications are: JD from the University of Maryland, LLM University of Exeter, England. Admitted to the PA bar in 1990, retired in 2023. Admitted to the DC bar,  EDPA (Fed), and MDPA (Fed). That said, I can give a legal opinion.

The picture is of the Blair County, Police Criminal Complaint, which can be found here:
https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/media/pdfs/20241209/233900-mangione12924.pdf

According to this document, the police were responding to a report of a male who resembled the person wanted for the shooting of Brian Thompson. 

 Mangione removed the mask and the police said they recognised him from the media. Then Mangione gave the police the fake ID used at the NYC hostel. Any searches according to this would be incident to arrest or an inventory search.

You get what the police will probably say in the clip of the press conference which starts at 10:50.

Unless the defence can come up with something substantial, Mangione's arrest appears to be legal based upon what I see here.


 More court documents can be found here:
https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/criminal-justice/luigi-mangione-court-documents-gun-charge-ME4VXEHIOFBK7FIO5STIXXWAPQ/

Wednesday, March 19, 2025

Was Luigi Mangione's DNA collected illegally?

Rosalind Franklin By MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
 OK, this is called touch or trace DNA since it is found on an object. It doesn't need to be something that the cops gave him, since someone leaves this DNA pretty much everywhere. Yes, the Fourth Amendment analogue in Pennsylvania law has a broader guarantee of the right of privacy, but how intrusive was this would be my question? The police could just as well  get this DNA from the food he was eating at McDonald's as well as from something they gave him.

His defence could question the science, but that requires Mangione providing a sample of his DNA. Also, PA law says:

§ 58.2 . Authority of law enforcement officers.
The General Assembly has declared that nothing contained in the act shall limit or abrogate any existing authority of law enforcement officers to take, maintain, store and utilize DNA samples for law enforcement purposes. See section 506 of the act (35 P. S. § 7651.506). Failure to comply with this subchapter does not
form the basis for suppression of otherwise admissible evidence.

And Pennsylvania's law on DNA evidence (CHAPTER 58. DNA DETECTION OF SEXUAL AND VIOLENT OFFENDERS ACT) specifically mentions 18 Pa.C.S. § 2502 (relating to murder) as a reason for collecting DNA.

It sounds to me like this may be an attempt to diminish the size of the mountain of evidence which incriminates Mangione.

I mean, he was caught with the ID used to stay at the NYC hostel, the murder weapon, and his DNA links him to the crime scene. Of course, the defence wants to see this evidence suppressed. 

My opinion is that it will be allowed unless the defence can discredit the science, which would probably require Mangione to submit a DNA sample.

Tuesday, March 18, 2025

Luigi Mangione's defence fund.

I was listening to an interview with one of the people from his "defence fund". She said that they wanted him to have the best defence possible,

That got me thinking because his best defence right now is to hope for a really good deal from the prosecution. Which isn't a very likely possibility from the Feds.

For those who don't know it, the feds have a 93% conviction rating. Mostly because they don't try cases they can lose. Federal practise can best be described as "Let's make a deal". In other words, you had better have something juicy you can offer the AUSA handling the case. They might knock down the charges so that Mangione gets life (which is indeed life since there is no time off for good behvaiour in the Federal system).

We used to get people to become cooperative when I worked for the US Attorney in DC by threatening to make the charges federal, since that would mean a "solid" sentence anywhere in the US Prison system.

But that's an aside since I was thinking that maybe some of those big, anonymous donors were health care companies who want to see Mangione have the best defence possible, since he is probably going to go down hard.

And the reality is that he's not as good of a defendant as people want him to be. As I have pointed out, even his mother thinks he could have done it!

To be honest if all of his supporters would shut the fuck up and work on this issue, I'm pretty sure that there would be change. But what have they done about this?  Have they supported serious health care reform?

Obviously not.

Sunday, March 9, 2025

Luigi Mangione and the real elephant in the room

OK, while I support gun regulation: I am on the outs with a lot of the groups who are "working" on this effort. This is due to their support for duopoly candidates, who caused the problem. But it has gotten even worse with this incident.

Legislators who denounce "ghost guns" use this as a springboard for a "discussion on healthcare". I would hope that the reaction would have been different had Mangione been a mass shooter, but I am not so sure. His admiration for the Unabomber and use of assassination seems to be passed over.

If anything, this incident is a side show to distract from the real issues out there. In this case, his use of a ghost gun, which is a definite issue in the "gun violence" sector.

According to the Department of Justice, the number of ghost guns recovered by law enforcement skyrocketed from 1,758 in 2016 to 19,344 in 2021, a surge of more than 1,000%. Nearly 700 of those weapons were involved in suspected homicides or attempted homicides.
OK, other than the gun rights crowd, not too many people are paying attention to this.

So, while I know the Second Amendment has been misinterpreted, I doubt that the US will ever be able to address its gun violence problem. (BTW, anyone for using "domestic violence", US Constitution Article 4, Section 4, for some fun?)

I would also add that the US's tendency toward violence is actually quite frightening.

Saturday, March 8, 2025

Searching Mangione with suspicion makes it constitutional.

 I'm with Jim Giza who is a former marine and a 23-year police veteran with the Baltimore Police Department. He was one of the first officers to qualify as a both a member of his Agency’s SWAT unit and Hostage Negotiation Team. He later served as Program Coordinator for the Johns Hopkins University Police Executive Leadership Program, where he planned and coordinated a unique educational program for the United States Secret Service.

I hope that the stop-and-frisk of Luigi Magione, which apparently is what it was, meets the U.S. Supreme Court’s criteria of reasonable suspicion and articulable justification for confronting an American citizen, searching same for possible weapons, and arresting that individual for illegally carrying a firearm (“Luigi Mangione faces tough legal challenges, says Baltimore lawyer with ties to family,” Dec. 11). In Magione’s case, he was charged not only with illegal carrying but also possession of an illegal gun — what is known as a “ghost gun.”

I also hope the police report documenting the stop-and-frisk is based on more than a tip or that it “looks like him.” It will be up to a judge to entertain a possible argument by a defense lawyer that Magione’s arrest was illegal by not meeting the stop-and-frisk criteria promulgated in Terry v. Ohio. If not, any so-called evidence seized or charges filed will be null and void.

Whether a challenge to the arrest will be made, time will tell. The extradition question may not be even be the offing. It goes without saying (but I will say it anyway) that it is tough being a cop in a free society and high-profile cases like this one can prove it.

As I said in a previous post, police officers are given latitude to search a suspect for weapons, which they found in this case.

The only reason the defence wants to try and challenge this is that Mangione was caught with the murder weapon, a substantial amount of cash, and his "manifesto", which is basically a confession. Not that there isn't other evidence tying Mangione to the crime scene, but this significantly hinders the case,