Showing posts with label Jury Nullification. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Jury Nullification. Show all posts

Saturday, September 13, 2025

America's Downward Spiral With Political Violence

What the supporters of "gun rights" fail to comprehend, despite their saying guns are "inanimate objects" is that "inanimate objects" can be turned against them. 

It's also poor policy to allow your opponents to be well armed.

Unfortunately, the concept of "gun rights" has allowed for the US to have way too many guns in the hands of the wrong people.

London Broadcasting Corporation's James O'Brien asks, 'Why are Charlie Kirk's words suddenly off limits?' Especially since Kirk did say about gun deaths on April 5, 2023, "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

 

The best sentence I've read on this subject is: "I don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk, but he did."

How can you condemn me if Kirk said, "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

If it's wrong to quote Charlie Kirk's words then it probably was wrong for Charlie Kirk to make those comments in the first place.  

Anyway, here's Tim Black for a final comment:

Wednesday, September 10, 2025

When we hang the capitalists, they will have sold us the rope

Charlie Kirk is the product of misrepresenting the Second Amendment to make it anything other than a declaration that the militia, that is the non-professional, part time defence force, should be protected.

The text says nothing of personal uses, in particular self-defence. In fact, the constitution makes it clear it only addresses the common defence (preamble: "provide for the common defence").

The phrase "self-defence" is absent from the text. 

Expressio unius est exclusio alterius

Anyone who wants to change the meaning of this, or wishes to imply that it applies to anything other than the common defence should be precluded from the practise of law.

In fact, the founders could have just said "fuck it, we screwed up" given what a mess they made with the war of  independence.

They didn't: they wrote a POS called the US Constitution.

Which includes something which was so insane as to be counter to their intent of "securing the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." 

I hope Scalia is burning in hell for his trashing of the law and the other Justices need to admit that they massively fucked up with Heller-McDonald and their progeny.

It's about the common defence,

Not a personal right. 

And show me where in the US Constituion it mentions a personal right to weapons, especially for self-defence, if you think I am wrong, or don't know what I am talking about. 

But, you can't do that because the text is silent on that topic.

Note: I added the photo since Charlie Kirk said gun deaths were 'worth it' to keep Second Amendment. I am not cheering his death, but this is an important point to add to this statement since his advocacy for this nonsense definitely contributed to his death. If it's wrong to quote Charlie Kirk's words then it probably was wrong for Charlie Kirk to make those comments in the first place.

"I don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk, but he did." 

Monday, June 16, 2025

The Alarming Rise of Political Violence in America

I wanted to come up with something about the targeted assassinations in Minnesota, which is where my two co-bloggers were located. It needs to be tied into what Luigi Mangione did and why that is not acceptable, even if you agree with his message. It's interesting that the act of political violence against politicians happened in Minnesota, even if that is only coincidental. On the other hand, political violence is a very disturbing trend. I agree with this commentator that it doesn't bode well for a country.

Armed mobs are more of a recipe for repression than freedom.

Sunday, June 8, 2025

Stop defending Mangione...

This is what Karen Agnifilo Friedman had to say about him on the Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees That was aired December 10, 2024 - 20:00 ET  https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/acd/date/2024-12-10/segment/01:


His lawyer's exact words from this:
And I agree with much of what everybody is saying. But I think one thing I just want to point out is it looks to me like this -- there might be a not guilty by reason of insanity defense that they're going to be thinking about, because the evidence is going to be so overwhelming that he did what he did. 
This is truly an open and shut case.

But, to quote H.L. Mencken:
"No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. The mistake that is made always runs the other way. Because the plain people are able to speak and understand, and even, in many cases, to read and write, it is assumed that they have ideas in their heads, and an appetite for more. This assumption is a folly."

It never fails to amaze me the people who support Mangione. 

Saturday, June 7, 2025

Leopold, Loeb, and Luigi

Now that Mangione's handwritten confession, which it pretty much is, is out there, we see him talking about "normies". I've already described him as a 21st century Leopold and Loeb. A smart, rich kid who thought he could commit a the perfect crime and get away with it. Unlike Leopold and Loeb who tried to commit the perfect crime, this guy was a total bozo. He was way too obvious and didn't cover his tracks.

The notebook is basically Mangione talking about his preparation for the murder. I have to admit that it has me thinking about Leopold and Loeb who  thought they were clever enough to get away with murder, and they spent months plotting out what they considered to be a foolproof scheme. Mangione talks about Ted  Kaczynski, the unabomber. He also talks about how he failed because the "normies" thought he was a monster. But what is a "normie"? Someone who is normal? Which is another thing which makes me think of Leopold and Loeb:

Leopold was interested in psychology, particularly the concept of Übermenschen (“supermen”) put forth by German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche. Nietzsche suggested that there were certain members of society with superior intellect who were able to rise above the laws that were meant for ordinary people.

Soon, Leopold became convinced that he was one of these supermen and, as such, was not bound by the laws or ethics of society. Eventually, he convinced Loeb that he was one, too.

They thought they were immune from society's laws, and to prove that, they would commit the perfect


crime:
At the end of 1923, Leopold and Loeb started planning their “perfect crime.” They decided murder would garner the most attention, so they began plotting how they would get away with it. They chose a weapon, decided how they would dispose of the body, and drafted a ransom note. All they needed was a victim.

 Mangione is looking for a victim who won't be sympathetic so he can "finally feel confident about what I will do. The details are coming together. And I don't feel any doubt about whether it's right/justified," He picked his victim because he worked in the insurance industry: "The target is insurance. It checks every box." Even sicker is that he decided he should instead "wack [sic] the CEO" at the conference because it doesn't "risk innocents."

He may have book smarts, but he sure as fcuk lacks knowse. There were several bystanders and his homemade gun put them in danger of being shot. He also seems unaware that terrorism isn't about the amount or extent of the victims or damage, but is very much a crime of intent. He wrote himself into a death penalty. Toss in that most jurisdictions enhance extrajudicial killing if they show intent. And His confession is more than enough proof.

He should have stuck to gaming since reality isn't his strong point.

There is a big difference between Leopold and Loeb and Luigi as he is now.  Leopold commented on his and Loeb’s “perfect crime" in his autobiography:

“Looking back from the vantage point of today, I cannot understand how my mind worked then. For I can recall no feeling then of remorse. Remorse did not come until later, much later. It did not begin to develop until I had been in prison for several years; it did not reach its full flood for perhaps 10 years. Since then, for the past quarter century, remorse has been my constant companion. It is never out of my mind. Sometimes it overwhelms me completely, to the extent that I cannot think of anything else.”

Also, Leopold and Loeb plead guilty, their process was a sentencing hearing. Mangione isn't willing to admit he was caught.  I think his arrogance is clouding his judgement.

Anyway, these are just my observations from what I have seen of both cases. And like Leopold and Loeb, Luigi is going to go away. But I don't think he is going to escape the death penalty unless he pleads out, but his ego won't allow him to plead out.

And a jury nullifier might cause a mistrial, but that will only delay the inevitable that Luigi will never see freedom. I also wonder how many of these lovestruck people would want a homicidal stalker loose on the world?

Monday, April 7, 2025

to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or to affect the conduct of a government by assassination

Let's start with defintion:
The Federal Bureau of Investigation uses a definition of terrorism that tracks with the Patriot Act. “Terrorism” encompasses “acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law” and “appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping.” It distinguishes between international terrorism (acts occurring abroad) and domestic terrorism, which occurs primarily within the U.S.

I'm going to focus on (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. This is because terrorism requires an intent. Just killing people to kill people doesn't cut it no matter how many people get killed.

On the other hand, we are given a handwritten confession which states an intent:

"Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

Let's toss in that he shouted  "It's completely out of touch! It's an insult to the intelligence of the American people!" as he was being escorted into court. Which in my opinion caused him to waive any recourse to Miranda.

I know that he has shown an interest in the Unabomber. There are some other things I have heard mentioned about his possible intent, but I'm not going to bother with that stuff. First off, it's pretty much superfluous given the basic evidence out there (e.g., handwritten confession, possession of the murder weapon, possession of the ID, DNA and fingerprint evidence, etc.).  He's put enough out there to at least put him away for life.

 Mangione's actions and intent place definitely, show that he wanted to influence, or effect, the conduct of government through at least one act of violence. 

I would add that Mangione's supporters are his own worst enemies. Its too bad that insurance will not pay for a procedure to remove their heads from the assess.

As someone who has wanted to see healthcare reform in the US for a long time, I am disgusted by the actions of the people who are willing to lionise a person with a serious personality disorder.

The far better course of action would be to use the system to get healthcare reform.

While I would love to see Manione executed, that is the wrong course of action. It would be far better for him to be exposed for what he is (not someone to be idolised). And then stick him away where he may live out his life.

Or another inmate may terminate his life.

Saturday, April 5, 2025

Jury Nullification and the Rule of Law

 Let's start with a definition:

The rule of law is a principle under which all persons, institutions, and entities are accountable to laws that are:

  • Publicly promulgated
  • Equally enforced (i.e., no person is above the law)
  • Independently adjudicated
  • And consistent with international human rights principles.

I was going to start this by asking what the Cato Institute and the Climate Defence Project have in common? Why Jury Nullification, of course. But the fact that these two groups that are fundamentally opposed, or should be, agree on this should bring someone to pause on this topic.

The proponents will say that it's not illegal, which isn't really true. It is hard to enforce in the US system because of the US Constitution and its guarantees of right to trial by jury, no double jeopardy, and probably a few other things that demonstrate what a piece of shit blotter it is compared to France's Déclaration des Droits de l'Homme et du Citoyen de 1789, but the latter is much more of a bill of rights than a constitution. The Déclaration defines the relationship between the citizen and the state, which is why France has gone through five republics, a couple of Empires, and a Monarchy or two with it still around.

I don't have much hope for the US Constitution lasting much longer the way things are going.

But I digress to return to a concept which is well suited for the lynch mob than a society which claims to be based upon laws. The strongest argument against nullification points to the core principle of our judicial system: We are a nation of laws, not individuals. Elected officials create the law. They can be replaced with ones who legislate more in lines with popular opinion if they don't. Allowing juries to bypass this system has resulted in more miscarriages of justice than triumphs. In addition, we ask jurors to take an oath to judge based upon the facts; how is embracing nullification consistent with this promise?

Or as Mark Pulliam asks:

What do nineteenth-century anarchist Lysander Spooner,[1] the O. J. legal defense team, some elements of the militia movement,[2] the Los Angeles juries that failed to convict the Menendez brothers of murdering their parents and that acquitted the brutal assailants of Reginald Denny, and the activists who promote the idea of “fully informed juries”[3] have in common?

I would toss in lynch mobs for good measure. Emmett Till is an excellent example of jury nullification in action: two guilty men get away with murder and confess to it afterward.

Jurors are supposed to play an important but limited function: to sift through the evidence (especially conflicting testimony) and apply their factual findings to the relevant legal rules, which are determined elsewhere. Jurors are not lawmakers.

Jury nullification in practise:
The Jury in the Emmett Till Case

Bad things happen when juries step out of that limited role and decide to act as a “conscience of the community”, or some other bizarre concept of "Justice". In the Jim Crow South, all-white juries frequently acquitted defendants accused of lynching blacks and other heinous crimes, not because the evidence was weak, but out of sympathy for, or in solidarity with, the defendant. Conversely, in the O.J. Simpson case, the predominately African American jury arguably engaged in nullification in 1995 when it acquitted Simpson of murdering his ex-wife, Nicole, and her friend, Ron Goldman, despite what most observers felt was overwhelming evidence of Simpson’s guilt. More recently, many Americans were outraged when a San Francisco jury—possibly motivated by nullification—acquitted Kate Steinle’s killer. There are many other examples, such as George Zimmerman, that come to mind.

After all, what is a jury acting outside of the law but a 12-person mob, modern-day vigilantes?  The supporters of Luigi Mangione claim they want him to have a fair trial, yet they ignore that someone was killed without due process. They look up jury nullification in the hope that Mangione will be like Roy Bryant and J.W. Milam. They ignore the handwritten confession, which is more innocently called a "manifesto".

Civil disobedience is a grave misconception in the context of a seated juror refusing to follow the law. Civil disobedience is resistance to unjust government action as a last resort. That is when disobedience is the only alternative to becoming a participant in an objectionable act. This will never be the case with a seated juror. A potential juror who objected to service could refuse to report to court or serve on a jury. A person with a moral objection to enforcing a particular law (say, punishing a defendant charged with private drug use or blockading abortion clinics) should disclose that objection during voir dire and be excused from serving in the case.

But, after a juror has reported for service, been screened through voir dire, been seated and sworn to follow the law according to the instructions of the court, there is no room for “civil disobedience.” A juror reneging on his oath is acting outside the legal rules. A renegade juror cheats the parties to the case out of their right to have the matter decided according to the law, on the basis of which the evidence and arguments have been presented.

Although the "jury-power " activists point to historical events where juries refused to enforce laws that they considered unconscionable, there is no assurance that a jury operating outside the law would only acquit in a criminal case; it could just as easily “nullify” the instructions by convicting a person who was technically innocent. Jury nullification strips the individuals who comprise society of their right to have the laws enforced. Nothing could be more tyrannical or despotic than the arbitrary decision of a juror, or jury that has refused to follow their legal obligation.

 The rule of law is essential to the preservation of liberty. Friedrich Hayek, perhaps this century’s pre-eminent theorist of libertarianism, the political philosophy of freedom, believed that the defining characteristic of a free society is the rule of law, meaning legal rules stated in advance, uniformly applied, without excessive discretion. In Hayek’s words: “[W]hen we obey laws, in the sense of general abstract rules laid down irrespective of their application to us, we are not subject to another man’s will and are therefore free.” Thus, it is the universal, non-selective nature of law that allows us to be free. In Hayek’s view, it is precisely because judges and juries cannot pick and choose what laws to enforce in a particular case “that it can be said that laws and not men rule.”

A lawless juror is no more heroic than a rogue policeman violating the law or a politician accepting a bribe. If a juror (or any other member of the political community) feels that a particular law is unjust—and in a society as large and diverse as ours, we can assume that someone, somewhere, feels that every law on the books is unjust—the remedy is to petition the legislature for reform, not to infiltrate the jury and then ignore the law.

Luigi Mangione and his supporters are dangerous to society, and counterproductive to the issue of health care reform. I wonder how much further we would be toward healthcare reform is they had used the system, rather than act as vigilantes.  They should be working to change the law, not capriciously applying it.

Luigi Mangione will be tried based upon the evidence. I hope the jurors are willing to properly apply the facts to the law.

Otherwise, the US system of justice is best exemplified by the trial of Emmett Till's assassins.

See also:
Mark Pulliam, Nullifying the Rule of Law

__ ___, Jury Nullification, good or bad? 

English text of the Déclaration des Droits de l'Homme et du Citoyen de 1789

Friday, March 7, 2025

The REAL ISSUES in the Luigi Mangione Case as I see it.

 OK, despite the amount of people who want to deny the mountain of evidence that this kid did it, the media is pretending he has a chance of being found not guilty. But I'm going to agree with another lawyer who said he's seen juries do crazy things.

Anyway...

He was caught with more than enough evidence that links him to the crime, which is why his lawyers keep harping on his arrest and search being unconstitutional.  He had the murder weapon, the ID used in NYC, and his manifesto, which is pretty much a confession. I'm not going to go into the law of confessions, but it would be nice if all these talking heads would start mentioning that.

Mistrials and Jury nullification. OK, a mistrial doesn't result in an acquittal--it does result in a new trial. Also, as long as there is one juror who is willing to find the defendant guilty, there will be a hung jury. So, 11 jurors can ignore the law and evidence, while one wants to convict. And a hung jury results in a new trial.

Of course, the judge and prosecution should be weeding out the people who would engage in jury nullification. While not toally illegal, it is contrary to the judicial process where the juror is supposed to apply the law according to the facts. Here is a sample jury instruction that addresses that matter:

6.1 Duties of Jury to Find Facts and Follow Law 

            Members of the jury, now that you have heard all the evidence, it is my duty to instruct you on the law that applies to this case.  A copy of these instructions will be available in the jury room for you to consult.

            It is your duty to weigh and to evaluate all the evidence received in the case and, in that process, to decide the facts.  It is also your duty to apply the law as I give it to you to the facts as you find them, whether you agree with the law or not. {my emphasis} You must decide the case solely on the evidence and the law.  You will recall that you took an oath promising to do so at the beginning of the case.  You should also not be influenced by any person’s race, color, religious beliefs, national ancestry, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender, or economic circumstances.  Also, do not allow yourself to be influenced by personal likes or dislikes, sympathy, prejudice, fear, public opinion, or biases[.] [, including unconscious biases.  Unconscious biases are stereotypes, attitudes, or preferences that people may consciously reject but may be expressed without conscious awareness, control, or intention.] 

            You must follow all these instructions and not single out some and ignore others; they are all important.  Please do not read into these instructions or into anything I may have said or done as any suggestion as to what verdict you should return—that is a matter entirely up to you.

The federal case is a good point for getting a conviction since the feds win most of the cases they take to trial. I call US Federal practise "Let's make a deal", because unless you can come up with something that interests the Feds, they will hammer your ass.

And in this case, it's the death penalty.

I don't have a lot of time for this kid or his supporters, which should be pretty apparent by now.