Tuesday, June 5, 2012

More WI GOP / GYP Efforts at Cheating to win the election; Recount in the Wings

I find it hilarious ever time a right winger spouts off in blustery blubbery tones that they want to see free PURE elections.  The righties LOVE that word PURE.  Except the way the use it, in the context of what they actually do --- while calling themselves 'principled Republicans' or 'family values conservatives' or whatever other euphemism they use for crooked political operative.
Once again, we have documented efforts by the right to interfere with voters, to suppress voters, to spend a lot of money to LIE to voters, deliberately misinforming them.  In practice they have no honor, they have no integrity, they have no decency, no ethics or morals, and they damned well have no principles or positive values.
What they DO, (in contrast to what they say) is NOT about PURE elections, it is not about having HONEST elections where ALL legal voters can participate and where illegal, unqualified or fraudulent voters are barred.  This is about RIGHT WING EFFORTS TO STEAL ELECTIONS.
Given how much lip service the righties give their terrors about stolen elections, it is not so surprising that they project onto others the things they themselves DO.
Our harasser, KRod actually wrote in one of his more recent attempts to comment:
Why do you hate democracy? Too much of a coward to admit it? Why do you support voter fraud? Seriously.
When I attended the Republican caucuses earlier this year, until I challenged the statement as opinion, not fact, it was represented as fact that democrats stole all the elections they won, through voter fraud. And it was accepted as fact by the other republicans despite the contradiction with their bugaboo -- a complete and utter disconnect with factual objective reality.  That group of righties, buying that line of crap were all old, white, not terribly well educated, low information tea party voters.
If you look at the FACTS, in the Coleman Franken election recoun kerfuffle, the ONLY voter found to have voted fraudulently was for COLEMAN.  The whole big protection from voter fraud by having photo ID? Yeah, that photo ID thing didn't stop the Indiana REPUBLICAN Secretary of State - the elected office TASKED with preventing voter fraud - yes, THAT GUY - from himself being convicted of engaging in felony voter fraud, USING HIS STATE APPROVED ID.  He was also convicted of some other crimes, including theft and perjury along the way.
To his credit, the attorney who so ably prosecuted him was ALSO a Republican - one of the principled kind who plays by the rules and who actually has a conscience.  That however is no longer apparently the leadership and primary supporters of the GOP, at local, state OR federal levels.
Consistently, even when investigated by the right themselves, there has been no evidence of voter fraud stealing elections - NOT BY DEMOCRATS, NOT BY REPUBLICANS, NOT BY ROVING BANDS OF NINJA LIZARD PEOPLE, NOT BY PHALANXES OF BALLOT BOX STUFFING SCHIZOPHRENIC FELONIOUS TOOTH FAIRIES.  The right engages in wholesale Voter SUPPRESSION to steal elections, and only occasionally in voter fraud on a smaller scale.
But there is plenty of evidence of voting fraud and voter suppression and election rigging and election tampering BY THE RIGHT.  AGAIN.  This time it is back in the good old Koch Brothers fiefdom of right wing Wisconsinites and other little corrupt territorial dictatorships of the rich.
As you read the following story, keep in mind that conservatives in Canada brought in to special how-to-cheat seminars American Conservative political operatives.  The use by conservatives in Canada of these 'American conservative tactics' has been thoroughly documented in the course of legal actions, and is in the process of invalidating the wins of a number of conservatives.  It SHOULD be used to invalidate the wins of any U.S. politician who uses or coordinate or just plain benefits by interfering with the civil rights to vote of any Americans. 
What does it say about a party, about their big money supporters, that they will lie to the friends, families, neighbors, members of their communities to prevent them from voting?
Maybe WE ALL should be asking the RIGHT :
"Why do you hate democracy? Why are they such cowards, afraid to compete in elections honestly? Why do they support voter fraud and voter suppression? Seriously."
Maybe the Department of Justice should be asking the people that do it, the people that fund it, and the people who run for office this way some serious questions.
From Politico:
Reports: Robo-calls lying to Wisconsin voters

Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said his campaign is contacting Wisconsin residents to counter reports of a robo-call that says anyone who signed a petition to recall Gov. Scott Walker doesn’t have to vote in Tuesday’s election.
Barrett, the Democrat challenging the Republican governor, said he has recorded a robo-call of his own telling people that signing a petition wasn’t enough and that they do have to cast a ballot, WisPolitics.com reported. There have been a number of reports of Wisconsin residents receiving calls saying that their signature on the recall petition counts as their vote.
“I recorded a robo-call telling people, yes, you do have to do that, and we’ll be sending that to people who signed the recall petition so they know they do have to vote,” Barrett said at a campaign event Monday night.
(PHOTOS: Scenes from Wisconsin)
Meanwhile, Barrett for Wisconsin finance director Mary Urbina-McCarthy emailed supporters late Monday, writing, “Reports coming into our call center have confirmed that Walker’s allies just launched a massive wave of voter suppression calls to recall petition signers,” according to Salon.com.
Walker’s campaign pushed back against the allegation, issuing a statement strongly denying any connection with the reported calls.
“Any accusation that our campaign is making those calls is categorically false and unfounded. Once again Mayor Barrett and his campaign are trying to falsely attack Governor Walker with absolutely no evidence. This is a desperate move by Mayor Barrett to avoid addressing his lack of a plan to create jobs in Wisconsin,” the campaign stated.
Barrett’s campaign called for supporters to encourage their friends to get out to the polls and ignore the claims in the robocalls.
“Urgent Action Needed: We’ve confirmed reports of voter suppression calls to recall petition signers. These calls tell signers that their ‘job is done’ and that they don’t need to vote on Tuesday,” the campaign’s Facebook page states. “This is a disgusting attack on our democracy and we need your help to fight back. Post this photo to your Facebook timeline and tell your friends that we need every eligible voter to cast a ballot for Tom Barrett — including recall petition signers.”
At his Monday campaign event in Milwaukee, Barrett called the robocall tactic “very, very disconcerting,” but said the source of the calls has not been identified.
“We’ve gotten numerous calls and people have stopped me and said they know of people who have been called and told it’s not necessary for them to vote,” Barrett said, according to WisPolitics.com. “Obviously, that is very, very disconcerting because of course, anybody who signed the recall petition does have to vote and it’s my sincere hope this is not a dirty trick or anything like that because it is so important for everybody, regardless of who they’re going to vote for, to get out and vote tomorrow. This is for the future of this state and to have people who reportedly are trying to discourage people from voting is simply wrong.”
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Given Walker's other shady dealings, given statements from Walker in the past like the one where he considered putting false agent provocateurs among protesters to make it look like protesters were acting badly when it was his agents.......and given the extend of the John Doe investigation of his administration...........there is NO basis whatsoever to believe Walker would tell the truth.  And there is no reason to believe the WI GOP - or the MN GOP for that matter - plans to participate in fair elections.


I hope the people who did this, all the way to the big secret money that pays for these calls, get put in jail. They can have the cells next to the Walker administration members, and with good prosecution, maybe the cell next to Walker himself.

But it isn't the Democrats trying to 'steal' elections.  It has been documented over and over - it is the right that engages in wholesale crooked, criminal election theft and public fraud.  These kinds of right wing politics are only a very short step above domestic terrorism.  They may not kill or dismember people on a large scale, but they harm them through disenfranchising them on a much larger scale than 9/11.  They should be behind bars, and they should be permanently disenfranchised, unlike other felons.

As the election day activities wind down - polls close at 8, or at least that is when the last person can get in line to vote -- the DFL in WI announces it is preparing to challenge any close results where Walker wins.  Which could make any illegalities a key factor in an initial announcement of a win being allowed to stand.  Apparently the GOP in WI isn't saying anything about recounts; but then I expect that Minnesota's GOP has embarassed the state GOP everywhere when it comes to recounts.

Maybe their big donors don't pay for those, because they can't be sure of buying an election the way they can with their other payoffs.

14 comments:

  1. Hello Dog Gone,
    The Republicans intend to try and steal many State and National elections this year…..and my prediction is they are going to be successful.

    Democracy has been lost.

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  2. Your right, Democracy has been lost, real representative government instead of domination by special interest have won, and it is entirely the fault of Republicans who are willing to support voter suppression and election tampering.

    These are NOT moral people, they are ignorant and bigoted people who want to deny others their civil right to vote. We are going to need an all new round of voter civil right legislation from the 60s, and once again, it is because of racism and greed by conservatives.

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  3. DG, if you're going to claim that the Democrats don't try to steal elections, you're going to have to come up with a compelling reason why the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent voter registrations submitted by ACORN don't pose a threat to elections integrity. Quite frankly, you're sounding a bit like a traveling evangelist who rails against "the other side" while ignoring the very real sins of his own flock.

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  4. Bike Bubba, you are factually inaccurate and tragically ill-informed.

    Here's why.

    ACORN and other registering bodies HAVE to, by law, take any and all voter registrations that are given to them when they are participating in voter registration campaigns. Even when they KNOW they are incorrect, by law, they are required to submit them - and often they themselves have been the first to do so in calling attention to concerns about a registration being invalid for some reason (especially for things like names of Disney characters, etc.)
    That is how voter registration works. It DOES NOT mean that the voter registration campaign is responsible for those registrations being fraudulent.

    ACORN did NOT have appreciably higher PERCENTAGES of fraudulent voter registrations than other groups that didn't get the same attention - like the League of Women Voters, or Republican voter registration drives. They had the SAME kinds of submissions of those bad registration.

    Further if you did your homework instead of relying on bad right wing media misinformation, you would know that overwhelmingly, the greatest number of bad voter registrations were simply for duplicates - people filled them out who were not sure if they were or were not registered -- that makes up something like 90% of the 'bad' or so-called 'fraudulent' voter registrations. I'm not going to fault voter integrity for a duplication because someone wanted to be extra sure they were registered.
    More than that though -- there are NO instances, zero, nada, zip, none whatsoever of people submitting a false voter registration as "Mickey Mouse" or "Donald Duck" etc. WHO ACCTUALLY TRY TO VOTE.

    All that happens is that those names from new voter registrations go through the same multiple screening processes to make sure they are legitimate that existing registrations regularly go through. It is a minor clerical inconvenience, not at all 'stealing elections'. And THAT is how it is absolutely different than deliberately interfering with legitimate voters participating in an election, and WHY it is that right wing claims of elections being stolen by Democrats is totally false and baseless.

    Before you take a position, you should know what you are talking about. Simply repeating right wing misinformation is a bad thing to do Bubba.

    If you would like some sources to back up what I have just told you about why voter registration issues aren't election theft, I'd be happy to give you a very impressive bibiliography. You might want to start with the summaries in past articles on voter fraud in the Penigma archives. I KNOW my subject, chapter and verse, forward and backwards, fact from fiction. You could use a good re-educatoin in how the voter rolls are kept clean as well. Most righties DON'T know how they are routinely verified.

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  5. Hello Bike Bubba,
    (I have to break this reply into two segments)
    I did a Fact Check on your statement that hundreds of thousands of fraudulent voter registrations submitted by ACORN.

    Your statement has been proven to be false and I believe you are just repeating what you have heard on Conservative Talk Radio and basing you assumption on this misinformation without any verification from yourself.

    In summation, unfortunately you have been told a lie. In essence a Political Eloi.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/acorn-accusations/

    "ACORN has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting."

    But on the other hand I give you cases of Republican Voter Fraud or attempts to rig elections:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/23/white-faces-sentencing-after-6-felony-convictions/

    "Hamilton Superior Court Judge Steven Nation said the intentional disregard that Secretary of State Charlie White showed for the law outweighed portrayals of him as a loving father and husband. The judge refused to reduce the six felony convictions "OF VOTER FRAUD" to misdemeanors that would have given the 42-year-old Republican a chance to hold onto his office."

    http://www.salon.com/2012/05/29/florida_purging_voter_rolls/singleton/

    The Justice Department under Attorney General Eric Holder is taken action against Florida’s Governor Rick Scott to cease and desist from illegal purging of the voter rolls in the Sunshine State, including the elderly, Latinos and Hispanics, African Americans, and others, including college students.

    A 91 year old man, who has voted consistently for 70 years and served in World War II, was told he could not vote. Others who have had the right are being denied it with threatening letters, putting them under unnecessary stress about a basic American right, and the right to vote.

    Florida is right now breaking the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which included Florida because of its past discrimination against African Americans, and their long history of racial segregation and racial violence.

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  6. (Segment Two)
    This is a repeat of what was done in the 2000 National Elections and Florida officials have since indicated and admitted that a pre-election purging between May 1999 and Election Day 2000, two Florida secretaries of state, Sandra Mortham and Katherine Harris, distributed targeted voter scrub lists produced by the cleansing process to counties and ordered the 57,700 people be identified as “ex-felons” (W. Bush only won by 535 votes) to be removed from voter rolls. Together the lists comprised nearly 1% of Florida’s electorate and nearly 3% of its African-American voters. At the time of the election, the purge list contained a vast majority of false positives of people identified as felons who were not actually felons at all and never should have been removed from the voting roles!

    Had this purging not been done and an honest election been held in Florida, Al Gore was the real President and not W. Bush.

    The Republican ring leader of this egregious and illegal purging of voters in areas only NOT conducive to Republican Candidates, Katherine Harris, purged thousands of African Americans from Florida’s voter rolls as “felons.” Florida now admits that most of those voters were in fact NOT felons at all. None of the areas that were predominantly voters FOR the Republican Party Candidates had ANY “felons” purged from their voting roles. On December 9, 2000 the U.S. Supreme Court voted 5 to 4 to stop the Florida recount, by Justice Scalia. Yet the story of the Florida purge never appeared in the U.S. daily papers or on television across the country until 12-10-2000.

    I reinstate, The Republican Dominantly Appointed Supreme Court had already ruled W. Bush the winner on 12-09-2000. The truth of what had gone on of purging voters in Florida came out on 12-10-2000!!

    Fact: Democracy Stolen in 2000!!
    It is being emulated once again today in Florida and many other Republican controlled States across the country for this 2010 election. Why? Because there were no repercussions to anyone when it happened the first time. Instead it was rewarded as being a “Great Brilliant Political Move by the Republican Party Leaders” and accolades were given to Katherine Harris for a job well done.

    I am speaking from the viewpoint of being a Republican with a 150 family legacy of belonging to the Republican Party. The old saying, “I thief cannot trust anyone” and it is a sad statement when today’s Republican Party cannot withstand honest elections to put forth their platform.

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  7. White in Indiana is not the only instance of right wing convictions for voter fraud - there have actually been a lot of them. There were some big ones in Louisiana.

    There was ONE fraudulent vote here in MN in the Coleman Franken election challenge -- and that was someone who was voting for COLEMAN. There are lots of CLAIMS about voter fraud in that election, but not one substantive example other than the COLEMAN Republican voter fraud.

    There are other instances of voter fraud - notably some egregious right wing examples in southern states.

    Bubba is misinformed. He should read the pieces I've written on the different comparisons that voter rolls go through in the Sec State's office where the names on the rolls have to match up with the names of the same people in data bases that require proof of identity like birth certificates. The drivers license lists are only one of a number of such lists. Whenever the names don't match up for any reason, the get sent to the county attorneys for investigation and verification.

    In Minnesota an independent exhaustive study, in a bipartisan effort authorized by both Republican and Democratic county attorneys - the people who prosecute and investigate these crimes - found no pattern of voter fraud or election theft, much less elections stolen by Democrats. There were plenty of Republican county attorneys who approved of the results of that exhaustive study.

    There is a huge gap between the facts, and the fantasy about election fraud on the right. That they use that misinformation to commit voter suppression is horrible.

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  8. Another example would be the voter suppression in the Maryland Governor's race which resulted in significant felony convictions in 2010for Republicans, including hard jail time.

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  9. Biker Bubba, I don't believe you support voter suppression any more than I support voter fraud. I don't want people voting who are not legitimate voters.

    The catch is, there is so much evidence that indicates this is NOT a problem, that we have very clean and honest elections. The recount in December 2010 was a fantastic example bearing that out.

    Where I can say with a whole lot of hard evidence and fact to back me up that voter registration doesn't equate to voter fraud, that the system works, YOU cannot say the same for the actions on the right.

    The right engages in voter tampering, in voter suppression, in WRONGLY removing people who have a right to vote from voter rolls - as they are doing now in Florida. The RIGHT has denied voters the exercise of their civil rights. The documentation for it is extensive, including convictions for it.

    And yet the ordinary good people on the right, people I'm sure like Bubba DON'T KNOW THE FACTS. They act on emotion, impressions, and are deliberately misinformed and misled.

    I have consistently asserted that finding the facts is where we find our common ground. Our values - the ordinary every day people's values, not the GOP strategists and big money that are corrupt - agree more than we disagree. The polarization and divisiosn are contrived - by the right.

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  10. OK, so ACORN didn't get prosecuted for its fraudulent voter registrations under the same Department of Justice that more or less ignored a confession in dropping the Black Panthers case. OK, so we've proven that the DOJ is reluctant to take on some easy, open and shut vote fraud cases. In the same way, since I don't look under the bed, I've obviously proven that there are no dust bunnies there. See the wee little flaw in your logic there? Refusing to investigate is not the same as exonerating!

    Never mind that your sources--like the "Salon" article starting with "Hated Florida Governor"--are garbage. Hint; if the story begins by describing someone as "hated," you've probably got a source with a lot of bias and not a lot of fact.

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  11. Bubba, you are wrong again. ACORN wasn't responsible for voter registration fraud - what part of they HAVE to take every registration that people want to make did you not understand?

    And where do you get the notion that the Obama administration OR the Dept. of Justice didn't check into these things? YOU may not be looking under the bed, but you aren't looking for any facts either; under your bed may be where you go for your news. Here are a few examples you should be aware of - you are fundamentally UNINFORMED. You also have no idea where or how voter fraud is prosecuted, and the facts are, beginning with the George W. Bush administration, there have been massive investigations into voter fraud right, left and center which determine there is so little, you are more likely to be struck by lightning twice than to have it occur in a sufficient quantity to affect ANY election AT ALL. And what DOES occur? Those few a year - those are not in any way shape or form part of any organized voter fraud effort, and nearly all of them turn out to be people voting in good faith who were mistaken. Of those who don't fit that category, the convictions - many by Republican prosecutors - are often OF REPUBLICANS. You are simmply fact free, and bone ignorant, and completely wrong in your assumptions.

    For space reasons, I'm going to break this up into a couple of sections, beginning with the Wikipedia entry on ACORN voter registration in the next comment. Then I will provide you a list of links to sources on investigations which PROVE your information and assuptions are wrong, biased and horrifically ill informed.

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  12. from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Community_Organizations_for_Reform_NowVoter registration

    ACORN has conducted large-scale voter registration drives since at least the 1980s,[24] focusing primarily on registering poor and minority citizens.[25][26] During the 2008 election season, ACORN gathered over 1.3 million voter registration forms in 21 states. Some of these registration forms were flagged by ACORN's internal auditors for review by election officials. It was estimated by Project Vote that 400,000 registrations collected by ACORN were ultimately rejected, the vast majority for being duplicate registrations submitted by citizens (which is also common at government voter registration services according to reports on the National Voter Registration Act by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission). An unknown number of registrations were fraudulent, but Project Vote estimated that only a few percent were, based on past years and samples from some drives in 2008.[27] No official in states where voter registration drives were conducted have come forward with substantial numbers of fraudulent registrations. It was estimated by Project Vote that 450,000 of the registrations collected by ACORN represented first-time voters, while the remainder were address changes submitted by citizens updating their addresses.[27]

    As required by law in most states, ACORN must submit all registration forms collected by its workers, including those flagged by ACORN as incomplete or suspicious. Fraudulent voter registrations are investigated at local, state, and federal levels, and have sometimes resulted in criminal convictions for ACORN employees. ACORN has fired employees for fraudulent registration practices and turned them over to authorities. As of 2006, ACORN was improving its fraud detection and reporting procedures, and cooperating with authorities in efforts to prosecute violators.[28][29][30][31] Jeff Ordower, ACORN's Midwest Director, observed, "There is no scenario where those people on problematic cards would show up at the polls."[32][33] Of 26,513 registrations submitted by ACORN over a nine-month period in San Diego County, California, 4,655 were initially flagged, but 2,806 of those were later validated - a 7% error rate - compared to usually less than 5% for voter drives by other organizations, according to county officials.[34]

    (from me-DG - note the number of instances where any problem stems from temporary employees of volunteers, not real fulltime ACORN personnel)

    to be continued

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  13. continuing from wikipedia:
    In a case in Washington state where seven temporary employees of ACORN were charged with submitting fraudulent voter registrations, ACORN agreed to pay King County $25,000 for its investigative costs and acknowledged that the national organization could be subject to criminal prosecution if fraud occurs again. According to the prosecutor, the misconduct was done "as an easy way to get paid [by ACORN], not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections."[29][35] In August 2008, ACORN caught, fired and reported employees Maria Miles and Kevin Clancy, who later pled guilty to repeatedly registering the names of the same registered voters.[36][37][38] In May 2009, six ACORN employees in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, pled guilty to charges of a combined total of 51 counts of forgery and other violations while registering voters during the 2008 election cycle.[39]

    In plea deals in a 2009 Town Square (Las Vegas)Las Vegas case, former ACORN field director Amy Busefink and ACORN official Christopher Edwards pled guilty to "conspiracy to commit the crime of compensation for registration of voters" in connection with a quota system for paid registration staff.[40] Edwards was sentenced to a year's probation and agreed to testify for prosecutors in charges against ACORN and against Busefink, while Busefink appealed to the Nevada Supreme Court and challenged the constitutionality of the statute.[41][42] In April, 2011, ACORN entered a guilty plea to one count of felony compensation for registration of voters, for which they were fined $5000,[43] but did not concede that the law was constitutional.[42]

    In addition to registering voters directly, ACORN has worked to remove systemic obstacles to voter registration. In 2006, it brought a lawsuit in federal court in Ohio against the Ohio Secretary of State, at that time Ken Blackwell, and the Director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. ACORN alleged that, during the period that included the 2004 United States election voting controversies, the defendants had committed multiple violations of the National Voter Registration Act of 1993. The district court dismissed the case, but that decision was reversed in 2008 by the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit.[44] After extensive fact discovery in 2009, the parties agreed to a settlement, under which the defendants agreed to implement several measures to facilitate registration of low-income voters.[45][46][47] The Dayton Daily News characterized the settlement as "accepting the thrust of [ACORN's] complaint."[48]

    ACORN did a lot to encourage more LEGAL people to vote. NO investigation, including by right wingers in Congress and the FBI EVER - EVER - proved there was any deliberate or other than accidental or tiny amount of voter registration fraud, and that was by a few temps for money not to change elections -- AND NONE OF THOSE FRAUDULENT (mistaken)VOTER REGISTRATIONS RESULTED IN A SINGLE VOTE.

    A huge amount of what the right circulated as voter fraud was because honest duplicates counted as fraudulent registrations, not that they were really 'fraudulent' in the usual sense, of one person registering in two places instead of twice for the same address. Got it?
    If not, I'll give you more. And you are wrong about the black panthers as well, btw.

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  14. http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-5326235.html

    http://mediamatters.org/research/200910010041
    this one is a list of errors in the right wing media about ACORN investigations

    AND HERE ARE MORE LINKS TO INVESTIGATION IN 2009
    ALL OF WHICH TURNED UP THE SAME THING AS THE WIKIPEDIA ENTRY - NO SIGNIFICANT VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30742.html

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/21/acorn-gao-investigation-finds-no-misuse-of-federal-dollars/

    AND THIS ONE IS ABOUT ACORN BEING EXONERATED BY THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE INVESTIGATION
    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/12/23/investigation-finds-acorn-didnt-break-laws/

    There are multiple state investigations that all found the same thing -- with the exception of a rules violation in some cases about paying people to help gather voter registrations -- and those appeared largely to be ignorance of the law where there were differences between different states, not deliberate voter registration fraud -- nor did those efforts produce a greater amount of voter registration fraud than say, Republican efforts at voter registration.

    So your point is WHAT? Can you admit your assuptions are wrong? There is effectively no voter fraud, there is a tiny amount of voter registration fraud which is people making an extra filing to vote at their own address.

    Then, go look at the huge numbers of legitimate, legal registered voters that Republicans have prevented from voting by their illegal or at best quasi-legal efforts -- those are immoral, and largely illegaland unethical efforts at voter suppression. THOSE have stolen more elections than ACORN or any other left wing group.

    Are you calling for those people to be investigated or prosecuted?????????????????????

    Or are you that big a hypocrite?

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